Jul 21, 2011

An Unprecedented 1 in 66 Americans is a Diagnosed Psychotic : Information Clearing House: ICH

 

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28639.htm

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Fun stuff to read, tell and watch:

Now FREE to watch all 91 minutes: "Defamation," from Israeli filmmaker Yoav Shamir. LINK: http://tinyurl.com/3rvhdvc

Some of His Best Friends Are Jewish: The Saga of a Holocaust Revisionist By Nathaniel Popper. Link: http://tinyurl.com/3v6m88c

...an Israeli lawyer has filed a class-action lawsuit against former President Jimmy Carter, seeking $5 million in damages because his book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid" allegedly defamed Israel. Link: http://tinyurl.com/3pltqg2

"...when you have laws against questioning the Holocaust narrative, you are screaming at the other person to stop thinking!!!" ---Mike Santomauro. *Anthony Lawson's Holocaust Video "were the Germans so stupid"... Link: http://tinyurl.com/44nsrco

An anti-Semite condemns people for being Jews, I am not an anti-Semite.--Mike Santomauro. Link: http://tinyurl.com/42z9p8o

Start reading DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST in under a minute: http://tinyurl.com/3f8h874

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Lucian Freud's perverse depictions of magnificent muck

 

A culture destroyer is dead but his "art" still lingers.
 
 
 

Lucian Freud's perverse depictions of magnificent muck

His painting's realism is governed by artifice - and his public persona was just as much a theatrical construction

A frightening authority … Freud in 2009.
A frightening authority … Freud in 2009. Photograph: Nick Harvey/WireImage

Raddled and old, a self-possessed, semi-naked fool in ridiculous shoes, Lucian Freud painted himself old and mad, looming in that awful room in west London where he spent day after day, decade after decade, scrutinising the horrible walls, the thin light as it fell on his subjects, those piles of soiled rags that he used to wipe off his canvases and clean his brushes.

He was in touch with his mortality. The paint he used was a magnificent muck, and with it he rendered ageing flesh, an Irishman's neck, a dog's fur, a baby's puddingy stare. He paid as much attention to the floorboards or the tangle of buddleia in the yard below as he would to a woman's belly, Leigh Bowery's feminine bulk, Bruce Bernard's stoic drunkard's poise, Lord Goodman's vanity, Sue the Benefits Supervisor's affected boredom.

He was interested in presence, and not only human presence: a lightbulb's glare, a dog's leg, a horse's arse, a frayed bit of carpet. The language with which he described people and things, animals and lovers, atmosphere and futility, was a frightening construction. I believe he shared more with his psychoanalyst grandfather than he liked to admit.

At the heart of his work is the confrontation between himself and others, himself andpainting. His painting's realism is all artifice. They are perverse in their complications, their studied theatricality. His art was in its way as mannered as Francis Bacon's (with whom he had a terrible and irrevocable falling-out), and his public persona was just as much a construction.

Freud liked to appear dangerous and unknowable, to men at least. He could seduce and threaten. Next to him David Hockney or Howard Hodgkin are artistic pygmies. Freud worked at being great. His art has authority, even though he seemed forever stuck in a postwar London of peeling stucco and disappointed lives. He would stare at people in restaurants, turn up at a young woman's flat with a live eel in his bag, spread rumours about himself and call his lawyers at an unintentioned slight. I wish I'd known him better.





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Fun stuff to read, tell and watch:

Now FREE to watch all 91 minutes: "Defamation," from Israeli filmmaker Yoav Shamir. LINK: http://tinyurl.com/3rvhdvc

Some of His Best Friends Are Jewish: The Saga of a Holocaust Revisionist By Nathaniel Popper. Link: http://tinyurl.com/3v6m88c

...an Israeli lawyer has filed a class-action lawsuit against former President Jimmy Carter, seeking $5 million in damages because his book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid" allegedly defamed Israel. Link: http://tinyurl.com/3pltqg2

"...when you have laws against questioning the Holocaust narrative, you are screaming at the other person to stop thinking!!!" ---Mike Santomauro. *Anthony Lawson's Holocaust Video "were the Germans so stupid"... Link: http://tinyurl.com/44nsrco

An anti-Semite condemns people for being Jews, I am not an anti-Semite.--Mike Santomauro. Link: http://tinyurl.com/42z9p8o

Start reading DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST in under a minute: http://tinyurl.com/3f8h874

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SUBMISSION - Debbie Menon

 

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From: Debbie Menon <debbiemenon@gmail.com>
Date: July 21, 2011 11:20:06 PM EDT

Subject: SUBMISSION - Debbie Menon

GREETINGS!!

Debbie

http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/07/more-trouble-in-murdoch-world/

More Trouble in Murdoch World

- 21. Jul, 2011

So, Murdoch is taking a more proactive approach to stop the bleeding. But will it work? postulates Mike Whitney

Foreword by Debbie Menon



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http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july212011/murdoch-trouble-dm.php

More Trouble in Murdoch World

Forward by Debbie Menon for Salem-News.com

So, Murdoch is taking a more proactive approach to stop the bleeding. But will it work? postulates Mike Whitney.

Rupert Murdoch

(MELBOURNE) - The Mainstream Press and TV misinformation services in general are doing their best to create the image or the public concept that this is a simple scandal of "hacking" into private and personal affairs, prying, so to speak.

It was NOT!





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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/21/more-trouble-in-murdochworld/

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Debbie Menon Rupert Murdoch's troubles keep piling up. So, Murdoch is taking a more proactive approach to stop the bleeding. But will it work? postulates…

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The Brandon McInerney Hate Crime Trial

 


 

The Occidental Observer 

The Brandon McInerney Hate Crime Trial

Posted: 21 Jul 2011 01:42 PM PDT

Brandon McInerney (left) and Larry King

At age 14 Brandon McInerney fatally shot Larry King, age 15  and a fellow student at his high school. The victim was a gay cross dresser who wore high-heeled boots, makeup and jewelry to school, and had made a series of public sexual advances toward McInerney. McInerney, who is not gay and had a girlfriend, took offense at King's continuing sexual harassment.

According to the defense attorney,  the killing was motivated by McInerney's "inability to deal with the humiliation of having an openly gay boy flirt with him at school," which seems reasonable enough. But the prosecution claims that the murder was a hate crime, solely on the basis that McInerney had associations with the "white supremacist movement."

Investigators say the teenager on trial for the classroom shooting death of a gay student embraced the white supremacist movement. Doodles of swastikas, white power images and books about Adolf Hitler's SS and an Iron Cross were introduced during Wednesday's testimony in 17-year-old Brandon McInerney's trial for the death of 15-year-old Larry King. McInerney is being tried as an adult for murder and hate crime allegations. (Sacramento Bee, July 14, 2011)

Indeed, McInerney had the temerity to avoid "a school field trip to the Museum of Tolerance, the educational arm of the human rights organization the Simon Wiesenthal Center"—obviously marking him as a bad guy.

One obvious issue is how much self-control a child of 14 may be expected to have when being harassed in this way. (Even on the prosecution's theory, emotional control is critical, since they propose that the killing was motivated by a general hatred toward homosexuals.) The developmental data clearly show that the prefrontal control centers are the last parts of the brain to develop. For very sound evolutionary reasons derivable from the evolutionary theory of sex, young males are especially prone to impulsivity and have difficulty controlling their emotions, including, in this case, anger. What some have called the "young male syndrome" is simply another way of saying that young males are designed to be relatively uncontrolled emotionally. In a nutshell, that is the perfectly reasonable logic of separate judicial systems for adults and children.

And in this case, the defense will show that the anger was the result of attacks on his sexual identity—a particularly difficult issue at age 14. Going through puberty is hard enough without having a gay cross dresser blowing kisses at you and loudly proclaiming his love for you ("Love you, baby") while passing in the hallway. Nevertheless, McInerney not only was charged with first degree murder but is being tried as an adult. He faces the possibility of life in prison if convicted.

It's obvious that being sexually harassed by a gay student would lead to anger for pretty much any heterosexual teenage boy—or adult. But the prosecution wants the jury to believe that McInerney's motive had nothing to do with anger at being harassed. Rather it was because McInerney was a "White nationalist" whose hatred against homosexuals motivated the killing.

The prosecution witness who provided the logic of the motive is Dan Swanson, a Simi Valley police detective with no academic qualifications. One suspects that he may have been trained by the SPLC's  Law Enforcement Training or the ADL's Law Enforcement Agency Resource Network.Swanson began his testimony with a 3-hour presentation of the "history of white supremacy dating back to the Ku Klux Klan and running through the modern day neo-Nazi movement." The idea is that Nazis didn't like gays, so, since McInerney has an association with the symbols of Nazism and "White supremacy," he must have murdered King out of hatred.

On the face of it, this is a ploy by prosecutors to poison the minds of jurors given current standards of political correctness.  After his 3-hour historical background presentation, Swanson

put on a slide show that outlined the basis of his opinion that listed 25 statements from individuals, three "admissions" from McInerney, and 204 different gang symbols or white supremacy ideologies that were found in McInerney's backpack or in his home. All told, he said, they speak to the motive behind King's death. …

What Swanson categorized as admissions included a statement McInerney made to a teacher about shaving his head because he was into white power. Earlier in the trial, that teacher testified she thought he was joking. Another was identifying himself as a member of Silver Strand Locals [said by the prosecution to be a "criminal street gang"] when he was booked into juvenile hall.

Swanson also noted how a drawing of an eyeball emblazoned with a swastika was unique to a famous drawing of a wolf used by the White Aryan Nation. That group supports "lone wolves" striking out on their own to act upon the tenets of white supremacy, one of which is anti-gay. The prosecution has argued McInerney acted as a lone wolf when he killed King.

Amazingly, the judge allowed Swanson to give

a lengthy presentation on the Nard Core music scene, a punk music movement that was embraced by Silver Strand Locals. He played a clip of a fast-paced, loud punk song by a Nard Core band that made an older juror cringe. Neither Silver Strand Locals nor the Nard Core scene itself was racist, but some members of both embraced white power ideals.

So this part of the presentation was basically irrelevant even to the prosecution's theory. But it was quite effective in producing a negative attitude toward McInerney in at least one juror.

Let's grant that McInerney was into this stuff. But there are no statements from McInerney linking his attitudes on race or National Socialism with his killing of King. No statements from McInerney declaring a general hatred toward homosexuals. There was no presentation of scientifically gathered data showing how common hatred toward homosexuals is among people with attitudes and associations like McInerney's. Surely they don't all have such attitudes. And in any case, the vast majority of those with McInerney's attitudes do not attack homosexuals.

To deny the relevance of King's harassment in provoking McInerney is ridiculous. The whole thing seems like nothing more than yet another attempt to criminalize having a White identity and a sense of White interests.

To make matters more difficult for the defense, the prosecution intends to use a "state law allowing judges to admonish jurors that a victim's sexual orientation should not influence deliberations" ("Trial in killing of gay teen will test new law"; LA Times, 7-21-11). This law is intended to preclude so-called "gay panic" defenses where people claim they victimize someone in an emotional panic when they learn he is gay.

Attorneys for Brandon McInerney argue that their client, who was 14 when he gunned down Larry King in an Oxnard junior high school computer lab, was so humiliated by King's flirtation that it provoked him to kill his classmate. Gay rights advocates say the argument is a classic "gay panic" defense."

This just shows how out of touch with reality the law has become. The victim's gender orientation is obviously relevant to the motive here; McInerney's anger is absolutely understandable but only if the victim's sexual orientation is taken into account. If a girl had been making such public declarations of attraction, McInerney probably would have been flattered.

But in fact, the defense will be allowed to present its evidence that McInerney was sexually harassed, and I should think that this material will resonate strongly with most jurors despite what the activists want.

This is a truly despicable attempt to get a first degree murder conviction against a child whose attitudes conflict with the current zeitgeist.  It is completely reliant on guilt-by-association reasoning that taps into the massive indoctrination of the mainstream media on any issue related to White identity, the Ku Klux Klan, or National Socialism. We can only hope that the jury has the courage to ignore this red herring and punish the prosecution by finding him not guilty.

Glenn "I am a Jew" Beck can grovel like no other

Posted: 21 Jul 2011 12:04 PM PDT

I'm known as a talk show host. That's what I do.

Part of my duties, however, as host of The Political Cesspool Radio Program, is to keep our blog filled with lots of interesting stories during the week to tide you over until our weekly broadcast airs on Saturday evenings.

As a writer, it could be argued that my magnum opus was an article last year on the infamous Glenn Beck rally in Washington, D.C.

This week, Glenn Beck is at it again.

He delivered the keynote speech at the "Christians United for Israel" summit where he proudly proclaimed that if anyone wants to dehumanize Jews, "then count me a Jew and come for me first." As if to reiterate his point, he follows up that statement with the exclamation that, "I am a Jew," even though he certainly is not.

Check out the embarrassing video below, if you can, and pay close attention to the 1:30 – 1:47 mark, the 2:08 – 2:12 mark, and the 2:19 – 2:27 mark. I couldn't bear to watch it past that point, so if he says anything else that's equally absurd just note it in the comments section below (Ed.: Its a ringing endorsement of Israel as a besieged state—no mention of Israeli aggression, ethnic cleansing, or apartheid, and it includes a ringing denouncement of Helen Thomas).

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSh3Q1uvRqQ

Glenn Beck is so repulsive because he is so disingenuous. If he were just a rank and file Christian Zionist that really believed in all that nonsense, then that's one thing. But you can tell by simply watching him speak that he is bogus.

Frankly, I think he is somewhat mentally ill.

I don't know if I've ever seen him go five minutes on television without employing his fake crying routine. Watching that act could gag a maggot. He kind of reminds me of someone who would have been selling "miracle" elixirs from a gypsy bandwagon back in the day.

All in all, this video takes groveling to a whole other level. He has no honor and no dignity.

And at the end of the day, what does he have to show for such pandering?

Charges of anti-Semitism.

Anti-Semitism, like all ideologies, tells a story about the world. It's a story about almost occult Jewish power, about cabals that manipulate world events for their own gain. In classic anti-Semitic narratives, Jews control both the elites and the masses; they're responsible for the communist revolution and the speculative excesses of capitalism. Their goal is to undermine society so that they can take over. Through the lens of anti-Semitism, social division, runaway inflation, and moral breakdown all make sense because they all have the same cause. Nazi propaganda called Jews drahtzieher—wire-pullers. They constitute a power above and beyond ordinary government authority. "There is a super-government which is allied to no government, which is free from them all, and yet which has its hand in them all," Henry Ford wrote in The International Jew.

If you know this history, you'll understand why Glenn Beck's two-part "exposé" on George Soros, whom Beck calls "The Puppet Master," was so shocking, even by Beck's degraded standards. The program, which aired Tuesday and Wednesday, was a symphony of anti-Semitic dog-whistles. Nothing like it has ever been on American television before.

(Snip)

On Thursday morning, the Anti-Defamation League, which exists to combat anti-Semitism, finally condemned Beck. Earlier, I'd criticized the group for its silence, a change that Todd Gutnick, the ADL's director of media relations, fiercely disputed. "Sometimes the ADL likes to consider what it's going to say before it says it," he said. "In this case we wanted to see the totality of what he was doing on the air before speaking out."

Fox News canceled Glenn Beck's television show shortly after this incident.

Oh well, you can't win 'em all, Glenn!

Reposted from The Political Cesspool.




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Ape With AK-47

 



Dear Folks, 

A change of pace. When I saw this video I was rolling on the floor and just had to do something with it. 
 
I had to share this with you.  Have a  humor break.

Enjoy. Play it a few times. You'll notice the video guy is on his knees and praying at the end...and the chimp holding the AK over his head is just priceless.




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Now FREE to watch all 91 minutes: "Defamation," from Israeli filmmaker Yoav Shamir. LINK: http://tinyurl.com/3rvhdvc

Some of His Best Friends Are Jewish: The Saga of a Holocaust Revisionist By Nathaniel Popper. Link: http://tinyurl.com/3v6m88c

...an Israeli lawyer has filed a class-action lawsuit against former President Jimmy Carter, seeking $5 million in damages because his book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid" allegedly defamed Israel. Link: http://tinyurl.com/3pltqg2

"...when you have laws against questioning the Holocaust narrative, you are screaming at the other person to stop thinking!!!" ---Mike Santomauro. *Anthony Lawson's Holocaust Video "were the Germans so stupid"... Link: http://tinyurl.com/44nsrco

An anti-Semite condemns people for being Jews, I am not an anti-Semite.--Mike Santomauro. Link: http://tinyurl.com/42z9p8o

Start reading DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST in under a minute: http://tinyurl.com/3f8h874

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Revolt against Civilization: Knud Eriksen interviews Christian Lindtner

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Fredrick Toben" <toben@toben.biz>
Date: July 21, 2011 4:15:29 AM EDT
To: "'Christian Lindtner'" <lindtner@dr.com>
Cc: <info@adelaideinstitute.org>, "'Michael'" <reporternotebook@gmail.com>, <Gpduf@aol.com>
Subject: Revolt against Civilization: Knud Eriksen interviews Christian Lindtner

Interesting!

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Revolt against Civilization:

Knud Eriksen interviews Christian Lindtner

http://reasonradionetwork.com/20110628/revolt-against-civilization-knud-eriksen-interviews-christian-lindtner   

 

 

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21.07.2011

Wunsiedel

Grabstätte von Hitler-Stellvertreter Heß aufgelöst

Früheres Heß-Grab in Wunsiedel: Mit Zustimmung der Erben exhumiert

Früheres Heß-Grab in Wunsiedel: Mit Zustimmung der Erben exhumiert

Es war über Jahre eine Pilgerstätte für Rechtsextremisten, die Rudolf Heß als Märtyrer feiern wollten - und ein Schandfleck in den Augen vieler Anwohner: das Grab des früheren Hitler-Stellvertreters im oberfränkischen Wunsiedel. Jetzt wurde die umstrittene Grabstätte aufgelöst.

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München - Jahrelang versammelten sich am Grab von Rudolf Heß immer wieder Rechtsextremisten. Zu seinem Todestag am 17. August gab es im fränkischen Wunsiedel zum Ärger der dortigen Gemeinde einen Gedenkmarsch mit Hunderten oder gar Tausenden Teilnehmern, die an den früheren Hitler-Stellvertreter erinnern wollten. Seit Mittwoch existiert die strittige Grabstätte nicht mehr.

Wie die "Süddeutsche Zeitung" berichtet, wurde das Grab in der Nacht zum Mittwoch zwischen 4 und 6 Uhr geöffnet. Die Gebeine von Heß wurden mit Zustimmung seiner Erben exhumiert. Sie sollen nun verbrannt, die Asche dann auf offener See bestattet werden. Damit dürfte das Interesse von Neonazis an Demonstrationen in Wunsiedel schwinden.

In der rechten Szene gilt Heß als Märtyrer. Er war im Nürnberger Kriegsverbrecherprozess zu lebenslanger Haft verurteilt worden und hatte sich 1987 im Berliner Gefängnis Spandau das Leben genommen. In seinem Testament hatte er den Wunsch geäußert, in Wunsiedel begraben zu werden. Heß' Eltern hatten dort ein Ferienhaus besessen und waren in dem Ort bestattet.

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Hitlers Stellvertreter:Wunsiedel entfernt Grab von Rudolf Heß


Der Vorstand der evangelischen Kirchengemeinde hatte dem Wunsch von Heß zunächst zugestimmt. Doch wegen der häufigen Demonstrationen von Rechtsradikalen strebten die Kirchenvertreter die Auflösung des Grabs an. Als nun der Pachtvertrag auslief, verweigerte die Kirchengemeinde eine Verlängerung.

Zunächst klagte eine Heß-Enkelin gegen diesen Schritt, doch nach Angaben des langjährigen Landrats des Kreises Wunsiedel, Peter Seißer, ließ sich die Familie schließlich überzeugen, die Auflösung des Grabs zu akzeptieren.

Der einst jährliche Rudolf-Heß-Gedenkmarsch in Wunsiedel war in den vergangenen Jahren immer wieder verboten worden. Demonstrationen von Rechtsextremisten wurden nur noch unter der Auflage zugelassen, dass Heß nicht erwähnt würde.

Can

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,775617,00.html 

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From: Fredrick Toben [mailto:toben@toben.biz]
Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2011 10:29 AM
To: 'Christian Lindtner'
Cc: 'info@adelaideinstitute.org'; 'Michael'
Subject: Teheran Holocaust Committe Member Christian Lindtner claims : 'Holocaust denial is a moral and intellectual aberration. … Denial is Chutzpah'.

 

Thank you for your quick reply, Christian.

 

1. My immediate response to your claim is, of course, joy because now we do have substantial evidence to prove that gassings occurred and that the three pillars of the Holocaust-Shoah narrative – 6 million, systematic extermination, homicidal gas chambers – is a proven physical fact.

 

2. But then I smile to myself when I read that you are relying on German scholarship and that your classical training enables you to discern, and to formulate: 'Holocaust denial is a moral and intellectual aberration. … My claim is serious: Denial is Chutzpah'.

 

3. Christian, I don't know what has happened to your perspective, whether you spent too much time trimming your cars and if this mindset of yours constitutes a recantation of your previously held belief. But it seems to me you have forgotten that all the research you rely upon is research done under legal duress.

 

4. It is not free research because it is illegal in Germany and elsewhere to say anything positive about the 1933-45 war years. I speak from experience, as do Stäglich, Rudolf, Zündel, Fröhlich, Honsik, Mahler, Stolz, et al, who can all attest to that pressure imposed on them with the force of legal persecution.

 

5. Your approach reminds me of the old scholastic argument about solving the universal and particular problem – how many angels fit on a pinhead?

 

6. I am sending this item through various lists and perhaps we can hear from you again – and perhaps you can enlighten me on how to overcome the legal barrier that prevents us from seeking the truth of the matter, without you so flippantly making a nonsense claim: Denial is Chutzpah.

 

Cheers

Fredrick Töben

 

From: Christian Lindtner [mailto:lindtner@dr.com]
Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2011 3:18 AM
To: Fredrick Toben
Subject: RE: FW: That's for you - Germans and German Jews set up Israel's civil service - there was a German brain drain to Israel - Hitler father of Israel -

 

Yes, Fredrick, I have now studied these and other books by the best German scholars for several years, and of course,  I am certain that one can rely on their research. As a classical philologist, I recognize traditional German scholarship when it is at its best.
To claim that Leichenkeller 1 in Krema II was not a gas chamber is also a case of Chutzpah. As you are aware, Bischoff wrote to Kammler  29 Jan. 1943 that it was a Vergasungskeller, and the two engineers from Topf & Söhne (Karl Schultze and Fritz Sander, 17 Feb. 1943) called it a Gaskeller.
Irving, Butz, Faurisson have done what they could to argue that the Germans, who were there and had no reason to lie to one another, were wrong, even dishonest. Their suggestions about the Keller being for gassing cadavers (!) or about its being an air raid shelter are absolutely silly.
 

The lacking holes can also easily be explained: When Leichenkeller 1 was blown up, the holes, i.e. the edges of the holes, would have been the first to be blown away by the enormous pressure seeking to "escape".
Gassing here and in the other camps was simply a natural continuation of the euthanasia program, where, for sure, more than 70000 were gassed.
The evidence for gas vans is also  convincingly established.
It is also chutzpah to say:" No holes, no Holocaust " - as if the shooting of millions of Jews had nothing to do with the Endlösung!

So, for these and many other easons, Fredrick, it is now my firm conviction that Holocaust denial is a moral and intellectual aberration.
It is a very very sad story - I do not need to remind YOU!
My claim is serious: Denial is Chutzpah.
See, if you have time, see also my presentation: Hitler´s Prophecy 1-7 on youtube.
Now we understand why Himmler said to the generals in Sonthofen, 21 June 1944:"Es ist gut, dass wir die Härte hatten, die Juden in unserem Bereich auszurotten", and he goes on the say that die Weiber und Kinder were also murdered....
Himmler was honest, and we have to be honest also.
Please feel free to use this letter as you may wish.
You may want to post it on your site!

Sincerely
Christian

----- Original Message -----

From: Fredrick Toben

Sent: 07/20/11 02:43 PM

To: 'Christian Lindtner'

Subject: RE: FW: That's for you - Germans and German Jews set up Israel's civil service - there was a German brain drain to Israel - Hitler father of Israel -

Are you serious, Christian?

Fredrick

From: Christian Lindtner [mailto:lindtner@dr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2011 8:49 PM
To: Fredrick Toben
Cc: orphicus2008@gmail.com
Subject: RE: FW: That's for you - Germans and German Jews set up Israel's civil service - there was a German brain drain to Israel - Hitler father of Israel -

Dear Fredrick,

Yes, this is a very sad story.
I hope you will find the time to study the two huge books about the German Ordnungspolizei by Wolfgang Curilla (2006 & 2011). His admirable research  is based on original German sources.
It can no longer be denied that more that 4.000.000 Jews were murdered by various units of German police etc.
Hence, the time has come to face the fact that Holocaust revisionism, or denial", is simply irresponsible CHUTZPAH.
Cui bono?

Best wishes
Christian Lindtner

 

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----- Original Message -----

 

From: Fredrick Toben

 

Sent: 07/18/11 04:23 AM

 

To: 'Julie Chambers'

 

Subject: RE: FW: That's for you - Germans and German Jews set up Israel's civil service - there was a German brain drain to Israel - Hitler father of Israel -

Yes, thanks Julie, it's old stuff for me – but excellent to watch for those who are just getting into it -

- and to think Zündel then left Canada for the USA where he married Ingrid Rimland, then was extradited back to Canada for two years prison, then off to Germany where he spent 5 years in a German prison.

That's legal persecution.

Fredrick

From: Julie Chambers [mailto:orphicus2008@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 18 July 2011 10:22 AM
To: Fredrick Toben
Subject: Re: FW: That's for you

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Fredrick Toben <toben@toben.biz> wrote:

Thanks

From: Julie Chambers [mailto:orphicus2008@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2011 11:39 PM
To: Fredrick Toben
Subject: Re: FW: That's for you  

British Holocaust denier verdict upheld

Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:20PM

British-born Roman Catholic Bishop, Richard Williamson

A German appeals court has upheld the guilty verdict of a British bishop who had been earlier convicted on charges of denying the Holocaust.
The Regensburg court on Monday confirmed a conviction issued against Richard Williamson last year for Holocaust denial, but decided to reduce his penalty from the original fine of EUR 10,000 to EUR 6,500 (USD 9,136), the Associated Press reported. 

The 71-year-old bishop had stated in a 2008 interview with a Swedish TV station that he did not believe Jews lost their lives in gas chambers in the Nazi concentration camps during the Second World War. 

Williamson's lawyers have not denied the statements made by him during the interview, but stressed that such views could be expressed freely in Sweden. 

Holocaust denial is considered a crime in Germany. 

In a similar case, Fredrick Toben, a graduate of Oxford's Exeter College and a German-born Australian author, was tried in Germany in 1999 for his revisionist views of the Holocaust and sentenced to seven months in prison. 

MAB/HJL

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