RePortersNoteBook.com: Re: Joe Webb Re : Gilad Atzmon: On Jewish Loyalty

right, fair comment. When your spouse goes bananas on you, you do not divorce.

When I disagreed with Vietnam Policy in 1967, I committed civil disobedience. I was not disloyal. I said, No to a particular action. LIkewise if things get bad enough, one can couch one's rebellion in terms of loyalty to your country, and not to individual rulers or political parties. If you take violent means, then expect counter-measures and no whining. You will not be deported to a foreign power, you will be dead or in jail, from which you can continue to assert your loyalty to your country.

As for military actions you disagree with, there are many things you can do, from free speech, running for office, civil disobedience, and the like. Take the mexers , please. When they openly display loyalty to Mexico, that is grounds for expulsion. Simple enough. Take the Jews, please. Get them to sign a loyalty oath to the U.S. and like the language of Naturalization for foreigners, have them forswear, reject, repudiate, and all that interesting language...Israel. Then hold them and the Mexicans to it. If they carry on with their disloyalty, the first thing to do is have them register as as agent of a foreign power. If they continue to behave as disloyal, revoke their citizenship and deport to Israel. Ditto Mexicans and any other nationalities.

Fundamentals are fundamentals. If you bend and weasel around every little piece of Logic, you are probably a jew, commie, or liberal or vegetarian. Joe

--- On Mon, 9/20/10, Manuel Sotil <msotil@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Manuel Sotil <msotil@gmail.com>
Subject: Joe Webb Re : Gilad Atzmon: On Jewish Loyalty
To: ReportersNotebook@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 20, 2010, 1:53 PM

The term "demand loyalty" requires a little refinement.
The first question is, loyalty to what? To the Constitution (The US Constitution), to the President of the US?
What if the President orders actions that are clearly unlawful or of dubious legality and clearly unconstitutional?

The second question is, when the President of the US acts against the interest of the United States and in favor of the interest of another power, are the citizens bound to be loyal to that president?
What about when the President of the US clearly orders actions aimed at destroying, killing, terminating US Armed Services personnel? Translated, when the President of the US orders not to come to the aid of US Navy personnel who, at that moment, are being massacred (murdered) by a foreign power? Who merits the loyalty, the treasonous US President or the sailors?

Is loyalty to the US Government required when that government sends the US Secretary of State to the United Nations to brandish a 35mm film canister and declare that the US is 45 minutes away from a devastating bio-warfare attack or when another Secretary of State declares that the next smoking gun may be a mushroom cloud?

Some clarification to these issues would be helpful.
Manuel Sotil