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Sep 8, 2010

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Five Monkeys in a Cage, or, How Congress Operates [1 Attachment]

 
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Murderers Bragged They Robbed and Hurt a “White Boy;” Media Mum | American Third Position

 

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Should Saudi King Abdullah invite Netanyahu to Riyadh?

 

Sept. 8, 2010

Should Saudi King Abdullah invite Netanyahu to Riyadh?


The suggestion that he should was made by Thomas L. Friedman in his column for the New York Times on 7 September.

My first response was to say to myself, "That proves Friedman doesn't understand the complexities of the conflict and is at least a little bit bonkers." But the more I thought about it, the more it seemed to me that King Abdullah should do what Friedman suggested.

In a moment I'll get to what I think the Arabs and the Palestinians especially would have to gain without losing anything, but first here's the essence what Friedman wrote.
He noted that eight years have passed since the Arab peace initiative pushed by Abdullah when he was Crown Prince was presented to, and approved by, an Arab League summit in Beirut.

(It offered a full and final peace, including the normalizing of relations between the entire Arab region and Israel, in exchange for a complete Israeli withdrawal from all territories occupied in 1967, including East Jerusalem, and a "just solution" to the Palestinian refugee problem).

Friedman then commented that the plan has been "floating out there in the ether of diplomatic possibilities" ever since its approval in 2002. "It is time to bring it out of the air. King Abdullah should invite Mr. Netanyahu to Riyadh and present it to him personally."

Friedman went on:
"Abdullah need not go to Jerusalem, as Anwar Sadat did, or recognize Israel. He can, though, still have a huge impact on the process by simply handing his plan to the leader for whose country it was intended. I can't think of anything that would get these peace talks off to a better start. It feels to me as though Netanyahu is taking this moment seriously, but he is still very wary. By handing him the Abdullah plan, the Saudi monarch would unleash a huge peace debate in Israel. It would make it more difficult for Netanyahu to continue settlement building – and spur an Israeli public that is also still wary to urge Netanyahu to take risks for peace and support him for doing so. Netanyahu is the only Israeli leader today who can deliver a deal.
"The Saudis can't just keep faxing their peace initiative to Israelis. That has no emotional punch. It actually says to Israelis: if the Saudis are afraid to hand us their plan, why should we believe they'll have the courage to implement it if we do everything they suggest? Israelis are isolated. Seeing their prime minister received by the most important Muslim leader in the world in Riyadh would have a real impact.
"Both Israelis and Palestinians are going to have to do something really hard to produce a two-state solution. Saudi officials have developed a reputation in Washington for being experts at advising everyone else about the hard things they must do, while being reluctant to step out themselves. This is their moment – to do something hard and to do something important."
Netanyahu has apparently said that he will go anywhere for peace, so let's suppose for the sake of discussion that King Abdullah does invite him to Riyadh and he goes.

Either at his meeting with Abdullah to take personal delivery of the Arab peace plan or afterwards, Netanyahu would say there was one element of it that was completely unacceptable to all Israelis – the proposal that a just solution to the Palestinian refugee problem should be on the basis of UN Resolution 194 of 11 December 1948. Its key words are the following:
"… the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible."
Down the years (and consistent with its Nakba denial), Israel has put two fingers up to Resolution 194 and denied the Palestinians a right of return, on the grounds that conceding the right would be an act of national suicide. As it was put, for example, by Likud spokesman Zalman Shoval in March 2007, "If 300,000-400,000, or maybe a million, Palestinians would invade the country, that would be the end of the state of Israel as a Jewish state."

A truth, which all of Israel's leaders have known for many years, is that the Palestinian right of return does not have to be an obstacle to peace unless they want it to be. Under the pragmatic Arafat's leadership, the decision was taken to accept that in the event of a genuine and viable two-state solution, the right of return would have to be limited to the territory of the Palestinian state. Though they could not say so in public, Arafat and his leadership colleagues were completely aware this would mean that probably not more than 100,000 refugees would be able to return and that the rest would have to settle for compensation.

Another truth is that Jerusalem does not have to be an obstacle to peace unless Israel's leaders want it to be. If they don't want Jerusalem to be divided again, the Arabs will say, "Okay. Let it be an open, undivided city and the capital of two states."

My point so far is that if Netanyahu did go to Riyadh, he would discover that the Arab peace plan of 2002, subject only to clarifications of the flexibility of the Arab position on the right of return and Jerusalem, actually offers what a rational Israeli government and people would accept with relief.

What would the Arabs and the Palestinians especially have to gain if King Abdullah did invite Netanyahu to Riyadh and he went?

In one scenario, and assuming that most Israelis are not beyond reason (an assumption I do not make), it might unleash what Friedman described as a "huge peace debate in Israel." And that just might open the door to peace on terms virtually all Palestinians and most other Arabs and Muslims everywhere could just about accept.

In another scenario – continued Israeli rejection of the Arab peace plan of 2002 – it would enable King Abdullah and all of his Arab brothers at leadership level to say to the world, and America especially, something like: "Now you cannot be in any doubt about what the obstacle to peace is – Zionism. If you really want peace, you must now play your part and use the leverage you have to call and hold Zionism to account for its crimes."

If that didn't mobilize support in the Western world for an acceptable measure of justice for the Palestinians and peace for all, nothing ever will.

Footnote:

Some readers will say that a genuine and viable two-state solution, even if it was possible, is unacceptable because it would not provide the Palestinians with enough justice. My response is quite simple. One state for all is by far the best solution for all; but because of the reality of the existence of a nuclear-armed Zionist entity, the two-state solution is the best deal the Palestinians are ever likely to get.





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DR KEVIN MACDONALD, AUTHOR AND HISTORIAN...

 



 

DR KEVIN MACDONALD, AUTHOR AND HISTORIAN, is a Professor of Psychology at the California State University.

As the author of several books, Dr MacDonald outlines Jewry's quest to destroy White Christian culture through intellectual and political movements.

Brother Nathanael: The Jewish journalist, Jonah Goldberg, wrote an article last week for the LA Times titled "Glenn Beck's Ecumenical Moment" in praise of Beck's rally in DC. What are your thoughts on this?

Kevin MacDonald PhD: First of all, before I get to Goldberg, the massive crowds of White people that came to Beck's rally who are worried about their future as "Whites" are being lulled to sleep by this new Elmer Gantry.

All that implicit Whiteness showed up with no place to go. When Whites put on a rally for an overwhelmingly White constituency, they feel a need to pledge allegiance to America as not really having an ethnic identity.

Hence the need for a flood of non-White speakers that Beck waltzed out onto the stage.

As for Goldberg, he displayed his true Jewish intent by being thrilled that Beck isn't hitting on the real issues that are causing deep anxiety and anger among Whites.

Br Nathanael: How so?

Kevin MacDonald: Goldberg highlighted the fact that although crowd was "preponderantly white" - the message was "racially universal."

This is the Jewish dream of a multicultural America where everyone gets along as one big happy family. It's the impossible dream that ignores racial realities, such as IQ differences that inevitably result in racial stratification in the absence of enormous, resentment-inducing government efforts.

This Jewish fantasy also ignores the reality of multicultural societies: Less social cohesion and increased social conflict.

The pathetic thing is that Beck is leading the charge into this impossible harmonious future under the banner of Tea Party conservatism.

Br Nathanael: Getting back to Goldberg, does he have any sympathy for White interests?

Kevin MacDonald: As a Jewish `intellectual,' Goldberg is horrified at any suggestion that Whites will define themselves as `Whites' and seek to advance their interests.

In his article, Goldberg wrote: "I find Beck's populism terrifying. But his basic message, flaws notwithstanding, is that our constitutional heritage defines us as a people regardless of race, religion or creed."

What Goldberg is not admitting is that Jews refuse to be thrown into this "people-pudding" — they remain a people apart — but relish the fact that Whites will lose their identity and their consciousness by being tossed into this multicultural mush.

Thus, our new Elmer Gantry is praised by Goldberg and the Jewish crowd he represents since Beck preaches the proposition nation gospel that assigns Whites, not Jews, as water boys of slogans and cliches rather than bearers of blood and soil.

FOLLOW THE LEADER?

Br Nathanael: It was Fox News that sponsored the Beck rally and its message. How can we break through the media control of discourse on racial issues?

Kevin MacDonald: I don't have any easy solutions. That's what makes the Glenn Beck phenomenon so pathetic.

Here's a guy who has an immense following of angry White people yearning for leadership that would really help their plight. And all he can come up with is a vague commitment to traditional values and the Constitution.

What matters to Whites is that they are becoming a minority and seeing their cultural and political power disappearing — in spite of Beck calling the rally "non-political" and stopping the attendees from bringing "political signs." That's part of the treachery.

And all of Beck's talk about the Constitution is just another strain of the serenade. The Constitution will be completely irrelevant when Whites become a minority.

Br Nathanael: What about Beck's appeal to religion and the founding fathers? Isn't this part of White tradition?

Kevin MacDonald: Beck's altar call to "turn back to God" is red meat for the Tea Partiers — guaranteed to bring tears to the eye.

But the pleas to religion and the founding fathers are just another version of the proposition nation creed: All will be well if we accept a certain set of universal ideas with no ethnic content.

Br Nathanael: But isn't turning back to God a good thing for America?

Kevin MacDonald: Which "god?" In what "history?"

During Beck's "turn back to God" speech, he placed behind him a rabbi, a Native American, and a White.

Turning to them with arms outstretched, Beck proclaimed: "Here are God's chosen people, the Native Americans, and the pilgrims. When people came together of different faiths, the first thing they did was to pray together."

Rewriting history and remaking `god' to suit media dogma is certainly not the mark of the kind of leader Tea Party Whites are craving for.

Br Nathanael: Do Whites realize they are being betrayed by Beck?

Kevin MacDonald: I think for now Whites only realize that they are coming up empty but are not sure why.

Beck's attendees were overwhelmingly White because Whites are angry and deeply anxious about their future as other groups expand their power and as Whites are increasingly victimized as Whites, in everything from affirmative action to violent crime.

But Whites can't explicitly state that this is a war against them. So they end up pledging allegiance to the very things that are dispossessing them.

The worst part is that it gives Beck's gullible audience hope that there are easy, painless solutions. We can do it if we just BELIEVE.

Br Nathanael: What can White Americans do to salvage their plight?

Kevin MacDonald: Whites have first of all got to clearly define for themselves and then as a bloc what their concerns are and insist that `leaders' specifically articulate their issues.

But at present, they just can't seem to break with the ruling ideology, of which, Beck is the leading pulpiteer.

Until they do, Whites will just keep on losing and getting more and more desperate.

And that, in a nutshell, is the argument of the American Third Position Party, of which, I am on the Board of Directors. I invite your readers to check us out.

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"STOP SLANDERING THE JEWS" ; FIDEL CASTRO TO AHMADINEJAD

 



"STOP SLANDERING THE JEWS" ; FIDEL CASTRO TO AHMADINEJAD

desertpeace | September 8, 2010 at 09:11 | Categories: Cuba, Holocaust denial, Iran | URL: http://wp.me/pahWK-4fY
Ahmadinejad has publicy called the Holocaust "a myth", claiming Jews exaggerated the Nazi genocide to win sympathy from European governemnts.

"This went on for maybe two thousand years," he said. "I don't think anyone has been slandered more than the Jews. I would say much more than the Muslims. They have been slandered much more than the Muslims because they are blamed and slandered for everything. No one blames the Muslims for anything." (If only the last part were true..... the Muslims seem to get blamed for everything these days)


Fidel Castro tells Ahmadinejad: Stop bashing the Jews

"The Jews have lived an existence that is much harder than ours. There is nothing that compares to the Holocaust," ageing revolutionary tell U.S. journal The Atlantic.

Cuba's former leader Fidel Castro has urged Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to stop slandering the Jews, according to an article published on the U.S. website The Atlantic on Tuesday.

The ageing revolutionary devoted much of a five-hour conversation to the issue of anti-Semitism, wrote Jeffrey Goldberg, who interviewed Castro in the Cuban capital Havana.

Castro told The Atlantic that the Iranian government should understand the consequences anti-Semitism.

"This went on for maybe two thousand years," he said. "I don't think anyone has been slandered more than the Jews. I would say much more than the Muslims. They have been slandered much more than the Muslims because they are blamed and slandered for everything. No one blames the Muslims for anything."

He added: "The Jews have lived an existence that is much harder than ours. There is nothing that compares to the Holocaust."

Asked by Goldberg if he would repeat his comments to Ahmadinejad, Castro said. "I am saying this so you can communicate it."

Following the interview, Goldberg spoke with Haaretz about his impression of the thinking behind Castro's comments.
"I think he [Castro] realizes he's gone too far in certain criticisms of Israel," Goldberg said.
"I think he wants to be a player in this issue; and I think he's genuinely offended by Holocaust denial."

Ahmadinejad has publicy called the Holocaust "a myth", claiming Jews exaggerated the Nazi genocide to win sympathy from European governemnts.

The Atlantic article can be seen HERE

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Tikun Olam : Mossad Recruiting U.S. Muslims, CIA Poll Ranks Israeli Intelligence Most Aggressive of Those Within U.S.

 


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September 7, 2010 10:45 PM

Mossad Recruiting U.S. Muslims, CIA Poll Ranks Israeli Intelligence Most Aggressive of Those Within U.S.

Jeff Stein, writing about intelligence matters at the Washington Post, notes a recent poll of CIA personnel ranking U.S. allies from best to worst in terms of the nature of their coöperation and relationship with our spy agency.  Here's the result:

"Israel came in dead last," a recently retired CIA official told me the other day.

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The Awful Price for Teaching Less Than We Know

 

Barack Obama
The Awful Price for Teaching Less Than We Know

By Michael Winship

Watching Glenn Beck's performance Saturday at his "Restoring Honor" rally in Washington, DC, I thought of the novelist Sinclair Lewis' Elmer Gantry, the charlatan evangelist who seduces most of those around him with his hearty backslapping and false piety.

Then I realized it wasn't Gantry of whom I was reminded so much as another Lewis character, Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, the politician who poses as a populist, then, once elected president, turns the United States into a fascist dictatorship, aided by an angry, unknowing electorate and a paramilitary group called the Minute Men.

Read how Sinclair Lewis described Windrip 75 years ago in his novel "It Can't Happen Here" and think Beck: "He was an actor of genius. There was no more overwhelming actor on the stage, in the motion pictures, nor even in the pulpit. He would whirl arms, bang tables, glare from mad eyes, vomit Biblical wrath from a gaping mouth; but he would also coo like a nursing mother, beseech like an aching lover, and in between tricks would coldly and almost contemptuously jab his crowds with figures and facts - figures and facts that were inescapable even when, as often happened, they were entirely incorrect."

Entirely incorrect. In its despair and confusion, a large segment of the American populace is prepared to believe anything it's told, in part because we are a country less and less educated, increasingly unable to tell fact from fiction because we are so unschooled in basic essential knowledge about America and the world.

I remembered a conversation my friend and colleague Bill Moyers had with journalist and author Susan Jacoby on "Bill Moyers Journal" in 2008, just after the publication of her book, "The Age of American Unreason."

She cited a 2006 National Geographic-Roper Survey: "Only 23 percent of college-educated young people could find Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran and Israel, four countries of ultimate importance to American policy on the map - a map, by the way, that had the countries lettered on it. So in other words, it wasn't a blank map, [which] meant they didn't really know where the Middle East was either ... If only 23 percent of people with some college can find those countries on a map that is nothing to be bragging about. And that has to have something to do with why, as a country, we have such shallow political discussions."

Barack Obama
It's not much of a leap from there to the Pew Research Center survey earlier this month reporting, "nearly one-in-five Americans (18%) now say Obama is a Muslim, up from 11% in March 2009. Only about one-third of adults (34%) say Obama is a Christian, down sharply from 48% in 2009."

The jump in the "Obama is a Muslim" numbers is sharpest among Republicans (and a new Newsweek poll finds a majority of Republicans also believe that it's "definitely" or "probably" true that "Barack Obama sympathizes with Islamic fundamentalists who want to impose Islamic law around the world").
But as New York Times blogger Timothy Egan noted in an entry headlined, "Building a Nation of Know-Nothings," it's "not just that 46 percent of Republicans believe the lie that Obama is a Muslim, or that 27 percent in the party doubt that the president of the United States is a citizen. But fully half of them believe falsely that the big bailout of banks and insurance companies under TARP was enacted by Obama, and not by President Bush."

Back when Moyers spoke with Susan Jacoby about "the ignorance and erosion of historical memory that makes serious deceptions possible and plausible," she cited as an example that, "If we don't know what our Constitution says about the separation of powers then it certainly affects the way we decide all kinds of public issues."

According to a survey conducted last year by The American Revolution Center, a nonpartisan, educational group, more than half of American adults "mistakenly believe the Constitution established a government of direct democracy, rather than a democratic republic," a third don't know that the right to trial by jury is guaranteed by the Bill of Rights and "many more Americans remember that Michael Jackson sang 'Beat It' than know that the Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution." (Sixty percent knew that reality TV's Jon and Kate Gosselin had eight kids, but more than a third did not know that the American Revolution took place in the 18th century.)

So, is it any wonder that many Tea Partiers are equally unknowing of the fact that much of their grassroots movement is bankrolled by fat cats with ulterior motives like billionaire libertarians David Koch and his brother Charles
, who, as a former associate told The New Yorker's Jane Mayer, seems to have "confused making money with freedom"? Or that continuing tax cuts for the rich while supporting deficit reduction are inherently incompatible concepts? Or that raging Islamophobia plays right into the hands of radical terrorists who use our bigotry to incite and recruit? Or that Beck just says whatever craziness pops into his head?

"It's one thing to forget the past, with predictable consequences, as the favorite aphorism goes," Egan wrote on the Times web site. "But what about those who refuse to comprehend the present?"

Years ago, I attended a rally protesting government cuts in funding for education and the arts. One of the speakers suggested that we boomers may be the first generation to teach the next generation less than we know. That often willful ignorance may turn out to be our final, fatal mistake, the greatest American tragedy of all.

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Texas Tall Tales, Myths and Lies

By John Burl Smith

Texas prides itself on being the "tall tale" capital of the world.  However, today Texas' tendency of stretching the truth extends to textbooks and the education of students.  Educational "tall tale" telling began in the 1960s in response to the demand of civil rights and black power groups to correct misconceptions about slavery and to include the contributions of blacks in American history textbooks.

Back then, Mel and Norma Gabler began to "review public school textbooks from a conservative, Christian perspective."  Today, their effort has grown into a full-fledged movement to censor all kinds of information out of the knowledge acquisition process under the guise of religious purity.  It is one thing to disagree with an opposing view but another thing entirely to edit that view out of existence. Moreover, Texas is not only censoring knowledge, it is substituting what people today think and feel should be the view of what and why people in the past did things or believed regarding social customs to fit today's hindsight.

A classic example is the Texas Board of Education's decision to exclude Thomas Jefferson from a prominent role as Founding Father because he was a deist or agnostic.  What is probably more to the truth about their action is that Jefferson is also known as the "father" of several slaves by Sally Hemming, his slave.  Such behavior on the part of slave masters was a general practice during slavery.  Today, whites are embarrassed by this fact of history and find it difficult to explain this to their children, while trying to convince them that slavery was justified because blacks were inferior, beastly animals beyond the pale of human considerations.

Another obvious clash with reality and the facts of history is the effort to change the historical view of the Confederacy and the cause of the Civil War.  Like whites across the South, who thought they were on the right side of history when, rather than end slavery, they chose to leave the Union and form the Confederacy, citizens of Texas find it hard to explain why keeping blacks in bondage was worth all the death and destruction.  Their effort today is to put a humane face on the brutality of slavery.  These same Texans are trying to hide the truth about the period from the 1890s to 1950s when whites in Texas lynched over 500 blacks (whites across the US lynched over 6,000) and not one white man was ever arrested for those murders.  Whites in Texas want to rewrite history books so that rebels like Jefferson Davis, Gen. Nathan Bedford Forest and those politicians that led lynch mobs are portrayed as heroes in history books.

Then, there is the assault on the Bill of Rights.  A part of their effort to "review public school textbooks from a conservative, Christian perspective," Texas textbooks will no longer feature "the separation of church and state" as an essential mandate of the US Constitution. This seems to be a benign desire but Texas Christians are being used to justify the creation of a theocracy.  Understanding of the present danger can be found in Europe during the "Inquisition," when not holding the right religious views made one an enemy of not only the church but the state as well.  This whole argument is aimed at weakening protection for minority views and groups.  Once a majority religion or religious sect is established, the state can censor all others.

Censorship is a tool that a majority uses against minorities; it is a way of limiting freedom based on numbers.  As a result of efforts during the 1960s, students became aware of myths, misconception, lies and damn lies in American history books that occurred when information was not widely known.  Today, Texas is engaged in a deliberate campaign to teach students lies in order to justify a political ideology.  One cannot change history; they can only lie about it.
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