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Jul 20, 2011

Ape With AK-47 -- monkey see, monkey do.

 

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Fun stuff to read, tell and watch:

Now FREE to watch all 91 minutes: "Defamation," from Israeli filmmaker Yoav Shamir. LINK: http://tinyurl.com/3rvhdvc

Some of His Best Friends Are Jewish: The Saga of a Holocaust Revisionist By Nathaniel Popper. Link: http://tinyurl.com/3v6m88c

...an Israeli lawyer has filed a class-action lawsuit against former President Jimmy Carter, seeking $5 million in damages because his book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid" allegedly defamed Israel. Link: http://tinyurl.com/3pltqg2

"...when you have laws against questioning the Holocaust narrative, you are screaming at the other person to stop thinking!!!" ---Mike Santomauro. *Anthony Lawson's Holocaust Video "were the Germans so stupid"... Link: http://tinyurl.com/44nsrco

An anti-Semite condemns people for being Jews, I am not an anti-Semite.--Mike Santomauro. Link: http://tinyurl.com/42z9p8o

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Book review: Professor John Mearsheimer's latest book: Why Leaders Lie

 

July 19, 2011 

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Charles Lindbergh: An Authentic American Hero 
Mark Weber - Podcast 
http://reasonradionetwork.com/20110713/the-mark-weber-report-charles-lindbergh-an-authentic-american-hero 

Charles Lindbergh became an instant world celebrity at the age of 25 when he made a grueling 33-hour flight from New York to Paris. His daring flight, and his aviation pioneering afterwards, made him, for some time, the most admired man in America. He was also a prolific, prize-winning author, inventor, explorer, and social activist. But his greatest act of courage was in speaking out -- eloquently and frankly -- against the deceitful campaign to push the United States into war. Lindbergh deserves to be remembered and honored today, not only as an authentic American hero, but also because much of what he wrote and said is instructive and relevant in our own age. 


Why I Had to Leave The Times 
Robert Fisk -- The Independent (Britain) 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/robert-fisk-why-i-had-to-leave-the-times-2311569.html 

.. .. The "Hitler Diaries" were Murdoch's own mistake, after refusing to countenance his own "expert's" change of heart over the documents hours before The Times and The Sunday Times began printing them. Months later, I was passing by the paper's London office .. .. In all this time, Murdoch had expressed exclusively pro-Israeli views, and had accepted a "Man of the Year" award from a prominent Jewish-American organisation. The Times editorials became more and more pro-Israeli, their use of the word "terrorist" ever more promiscuous .. .. I don't believe Murdoch personally interfered in any of the above events. He didn't need to. He had turned The Times into a tame, pro-Tory, pro-Israeli paper shorn of all editorial independence. 


In Hungary, `Nazi War Crimes' Suspect Is Acquitted 
BBC News 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14185045 

A Hungarian man has been acquitted by a Budapest court of committing war crimes during a 1942 raid. Ex-police captain Sandor Kepiro, 97, was found not guilty of ordering the rounding up and execution of more than 30 Jews and Serbs in Serbia in 1942. The prosecution had demanded at least a prison sentence for Mr Kepiro, but he insisted he had not killed. The Simon Wiesenthal Center, which listed him as its most wanted Nazi, said the verdict was "outrageous". The group's chairman, Efraim Zuroff, said they would appeal against it. Many of the dozens of people attending the court session cheered and clapped after Judge Bela Varga read out the verdict of the three-judge tribunal .. .. 


Court In Hungary Acquits 97-Year-Old of War Crimes 
The Associated Press 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7658237.html 

Jewish groups expressed shock Monday after a 97-year-old Hungarian man was cleared of war crimes charges for his role in raids by Hungarian forces that killed hundreds of civilians in Serbia during World War II. Many had considered the case of Sandor Kepiro one of the last major trials of alleged Holocaust-era war criminal suspects. "It's an absolutely outrageous decision," Efraim Zuroff, the chief Nazi hunter with the Wiesenthal Center's Jerusalem office, told The Associated Press. 


Jewish Settlers Are Terrorizing Palestinians, Says Israeli General 
The Independent (Britain) 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/jewish-settlers-are-terrorising-palestinians-says-israeli-general-2315435.html 

A senior Israeli army commander has warned that unchecked "Jewish terror" against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank threatens to plunge the territory into another conflict. In unusually outspoken comments, Major General Avi Mizrahi took aim at extremist Israeli settlers, and said the yeshiva, or religious seminary, in Yitzhar, one of the most radical Jewish strongholds in the West Bank, should be closed, calling it a source of terror against Palestinians. The general's comments are likely to put him at odds with Israel's pro-settler government, which has resisted US-led efforts to curb settlement expansion in a bid to revive stalled peace talks. 


Why U.S. Leaders Deceive Their Own People 
Ted Galen Carpenter
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-skeptics/why-us-leaders-deceive-their-own-people-5563 

Professor John Mearsheimer's latest book, Why Leaders Lie, provides a number of intriguing insights and surprising conclusions. Perhaps his most unexpected conclusion is that leaders lie to foreign leaders far less frequently than is generally assumed. Indeed, he contends that leaders lie to their own people more than they do to foreign counterparts .. .. Officials in democratic political ystems are more likely to deceive their own people - even engaging in outright lies - than officials in autocratic systems .. .. Americans must face the troubling realization that U.S. leaders will be unusually prone to engage in lying as well as milder forms of deception to gull their own populations. 


When London Hosted a Nazi Funeral 
Daily Mail (London) 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224976/Within-yards-Buckingham-Palace--day-London-played-host-Nazi-funeral.html 

Were it not for the Grenadier Guardsmen, the extraordinary photograph might have been taken after Hitler's plans to dominate Britain and Europe came to fruition in London. But this was 1936, three years before the start of the Second World War, and the event was the funeral of the German ambassador, Leopold von Hoesch. It was a spectacular tribute with crowds lining the roadside as the coffin was transferred to a gun carriage for its journey down The Mall. It was accompanied by bearskin-clad British bandsmen playing solemn music. 


A Nazi Funeral in London 
British Newsreel 1936 - Video 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyeD7lv6xpk 

Remarkable film footage from an April 1936 British "Gaumont" newsreel of the funeral ceremony in London honoring German ambassador Leopold von Hoesch. With high-ranking British officials attending, British Grenadier Guards escort the swastika-draped coffin of the diplomat, who had died in the British capital. 


Israel's Yo-Yos in the US Congress 
Uri Avnery (Israel) 
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1306359471 

It was all rather disgusting. There they were, the members of the highest legislative bodies of the world's only superpower, flying up and down like so many yo-yos, applauding wildly, every few minutes or seconds, the most outrageous lies and distortions of Binyamin Netanyahu. It was worse than the Syrian parliament during a speech by Bashar Assad, where anyone not applauding could find himself in prison. Or Stalin's Supreme Soviet, when showing less than sufficient respect could have meant death. What the American Senators and Congressmen feared was a fate worse than death. Anyone remaining seated or not applauding wildly enough could have been caught on camera - and that amounts to political suicide. 


Netanyahu in DC: Shameful Spectacle Affirms Zionist Hold on Congress 
Mark Weber - Podcast 
http://reasonradionetwork.com/category/programs/the-mark-weber-report 

Nothing more vividly underscores the Jewish-Zionist grip on US political life than the stormy, fervent approval given by American politicians to Israeli premier Netanyahu as he addressed a joint session of the US Congress. For every American who cares about our long term welfare as a country, as well as basic justice, the performance of these politicians was a shameful spectacle. Their behavior highlights the entrenched corruption and lack of principle of the American political system. It's an expression of a society, and of a political system, that has become terminally craven and unprincipled. 


Netanyahu and Stalin: Addressing Rapturous Audiences 
Video 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRPvJpVylOM 

The rapturous applause given to Israeli leader Netanyahu by American politicians in the US Congress recalls the stormy ovations given to Soviet leader Stalin by obsequious Russians. These shameful spectacles are expression of societies that are inwardly corrupt, craven, and unprincipled. With commentary by Mark Weber. 











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Fun stuff to read, tell and watch:

Now FREE to watch all 91 minutes: "Defamation," from Israeli filmmaker Yoav Shamir. LINK: http://tinyurl.com/3rvhdvc

Some of His Best Friends Are Jewish: The Saga of a Holocaust Revisionist By Nathaniel Popper. Link: http://tinyurl.com/3v6m88c

...an Israeli lawyer has filed a class-action lawsuit against former President Jimmy Carter, seeking $5 million in damages because his book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid" allegedly defamed Israel. Link: http://tinyurl.com/3pltqg2

"...when you have laws against questioning the Holocaust narrative, you are screaming at the other person to stop thinking!!!" ---Mike Santomauro. *Anthony Lawson's Holocaust Video "were the Germans so stupid"... Link: http://tinyurl.com/44nsrco

An anti-Semite condemns people for being Jews, I am not an anti-Semite.--Mike Santomauro. Link: http://tinyurl.com/42z9p8o

Start reading DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST in under a minute: http://tinyurl.com/3f8h874

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Freedom fighters: During WWII, Jewish mob boss Meyer Lansky teamed up with the Navy to fight the Nazis. Eric Dezenhall, author of The Devil Himself, uncovers the unlikely story.

 

The White House - gangsters link, via Walter Winchell, is interesting.


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The Real Inglorious Bastards
During WWII, Jewish mob boss Meyer Lansky teamed up with the Navy to fight the Nazis. Eric Dezenhall, author of The Devil Himself, uncovers the unlikely story.
by Eric Dezenhall | July 18, 2011 10:9 PM EDT

In godfatherly fashion, SEAL Team Six was gearing up to whack Osama Bin Laden at the moment Prince William and Kate Middleton took their vows at Westminster Abbey. The events weren't connected, but given our culture's wish to see things through a Hollywood lens, let's picture President Obama stroking his dog, Bo, behind the Resolute desk and telling the Middletons to "consider this justice a gift on this, the day of your daughter's wedding."

Think mixing the government and gangland is farfetched? Going back a few wars, our leaders sent the mob after the Nazis, the subject of my new historical novel, The Devil Himself


The collaboration between gangsters and Naval intelligence during World War II—which the government denied for nearly 40 years—began after the behemoth cruise ship Normandie caught fire and capsized at Pier 88 in Manhattan on the heels of Pearl Harbor. 

The luxury liner was being retrofitted for U.S. troop deployment when it was destroyed in early February 1942. The Navy suspected Nazi sabotage. After all, German U-boats had killed more U.S. sailors in the north Atlantic than died at Pearl Harbor.

Naval officers were rebuffed by the longshoremen on the mob-controlled New York waterfront, men averse to snitching—for anybody. For help, the Navy turned to mobster Meyer Lansky who, it turns out, had a lot to say in later years about his World War II service, both to family, friends, and in notes he made in a personal journal from Woolworth's.

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Reputed Mafia financier Meyer Lansky takes a break in a Miami attorney's office, Friday January 22, 1982., AP Photo

Meyer and Teddy Lansky's granddaughter, Cynthia Duncan, preserved Meyer's possessions after his death in 1983, and we have been friends for many years. I have opaque memories of my own family elders, who were of Meyer's generation and mindset. Accordingly, in The Devil Himself, I emphasized what drove a man cut from this rough cloth to join the American war effort.

Our government approached Meyer in part because it knew that he had been waging a campaign of intimidation against domestic Nazi sympathizers, mostly members of the German American Bund.



Horrified by what was happening to his fellow Eastern European Jews, Meyer tried to enlist in the Army, but was rejected because of his age (40) and his height (five-feet-four in socks).
 

For "Operation Underworld," Meyer recruited his childhood friend, Benjamin "Bugsy" Siegel and Murder, Incorporated's Louis "Lepke" Buchalter. These Jewish racketeers quickly became the real "inglorious bastards," using guns, knives and bats to break up Bund rallies and send a message to Nazi sympathizers. As Meyer wryly acknowledged in his notes, "We weren't yeshiva boys."

In an amazing historical coincidence, President Roosevelt was close to Walter Winchell, the most influential journalist in America, while Winchell's friend and neighbor in the Majestic House on Central Park West was Meyer Lansky. Winchell was an unapologetic propagandist for the Allied cause and collaborated with gangsters when it suited him. FDR didn't exactly faint at the rough stuff. 

When Nazi saboteurs slithered into the U.S. in the summer of 1942 with plans to blow up railways, chemical plants, and Jewish-owned department stores, mob-controlled union members dropped a dime on the operatives that had checked into Manhattan hotels.  We'll never know what the boys did to the Nazi sympathizers they didn't report to the FBI. 

Meyer's motivations were not entirely pure. In the 1940s, the Jewish rackets were waning in influence as the Italian Mafia expanded. Meyer needed to cement his reputation as an indispensable wizard in the new order.

He approached his Sicilian business partner, the imprisoned Charles "Lucky" Luciano, to lean on Italian racketeers to cooperate with the Navy. Luciano gave the order to his goombahs, who quietly visited him in prison. Luciano provided the Navy with contacts in Sicily to assist Allied invasion planners. In return, Luciano's 30-50 year prison sentence was commuted. He was deported to Italy, and Meyer's status as a macher and gambling czar was secure. 

There has been much debate over the real value of the Navy-mob collaboration. Surely, the legend that Luciano stormed the shores of Sicily with General Patton to greet a liberated countryside is absurd. But the Lansky/Luciano program did, in fact, guide Allied forces to key Nazi command centers on that beleaguered island.

Domestic waterfront sabotage for the rest of the war was nonexistent. Surely, the newfound cooperation of dockside racketeers had a chilling effect on German espionage. Not even Nazis wanted to stare down Bugsy and Lepke. 

My focus in The Devil Himself is Meyer's existential drama—his urgent passion for assisting his adopted country, a narrative most conducive to historical fiction. Why would he and other mobsters work to defend a country whose government was devoted to putting them behind bars?

Meyer claimed two motives: proving that he was a real American and his sense of dread over the fate of his fellow Eastern European Jews.

It's hard for our generation to fathom that being accepted as a "real American" was an issue for people who roamed the republic during our lifetimes, but it was. Moreover, the small percentage of Jewish immigrants with racket ties saw crime as a means to an end. No boy of Meyer's was going to be a gonif, so he proudly sent his son Paul to West Point. 

I see Meyer's wartime service in a modest light befitting his personality: He wanted to serve his country and contributed in the best way he knew how. He neither singlehandedly saved America from the Nazis nor scammed the government with phantom services. 

Conspiracy theories aside, the fire that destroyed the Normandie was probably an accident, the result of the military's frantic mobilization, but it became the catalyst for a heightened campaign of counterespionage that forged a dicey alliance between gangsters and our nation's defenders. How one feels about such arrangements depends on the usual politics.
 

Contrary to legend, Meyer did not leave a vast and hidden fortune to his fragmented family. His legacy lives on in the globe's ubiquitous—and legal—gambling dens, a marketplace he predicted in his private papers, which are displayed at the Las Vegas Mob Experience Museum at the Tropicana Hotel.

Meyer knew he would never be hailed as a patriot, but this didn't stop him from hocking anyone who would listen that sometimes, when we're up against foreign hoodlums, we've got to make a deal with the devil himself to protect ourselves.

July 18, 2011 10:9pm

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Fun stuff to read, tell and watch:

Now FREE to watch all 91 minutes: "Defamation," from Israeli filmmaker Yoav Shamir. LINK: http://tinyurl.com/3rvhdvc

Some of His Best Friends Are Jewish: The Saga of a Holocaust Revisionist By Nathaniel Popper. Link: http://tinyurl.com/3v6m88c

...an Israeli lawyer has filed a class-action lawsuit against former President Jimmy Carter, seeking $5 million in damages because his book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid" allegedly defamed Israel. Link: http://tinyurl.com/3pltqg2

"...when you have laws against questioning the Holocaust narrative, you are screaming at the other person to stop thinking!!!" ---Mike Santomauro. *Anthony Lawson's Holocaust Video "were the Germans so stupid"... Link: http://tinyurl.com/44nsrco

An anti-Semite condemns people for being Jews, I am not an anti-Semite.--Mike Santomauro. Link: http://tinyurl.com/42z9p8o

Start reading DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST in under a minute: http://tinyurl.com/3f8h874

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ordinary backpacker with five passports

 


Kiwi Jewish leaders dismiss Israeli spy accusations
July 20, 2011

SYDNEY, Australia (JTA) – Allegations that Israeli backpackers caught in February's massive earthquake may have been spies are roiling Jewish leaders in New Zealand.

Israel's ambassador to New Zealand, Shemi Tzur, blasted the claims reported Wednesday in the Southland Times newspaper as "science fiction."

The paper claimed that four Israelis -- Ofer Mizrahi, Michal Fraidman, Liron Sade and Guy Jordan -- were the focus of an investigation by New Zealand's Security Intelligence Service amid fears that Israelis may have hacked into the national computer network. But police said Wednesday that they were confident their computer systems were secure.

Mizrahi, 23, was killed instantly while driving a van in Christchurch when the Feb. 22 earthquake struck. The other three Israelis left the country within 12 hours, the Southland Times reported.

The Security Intelligence Service became suspicious after "at least" five passports were found on Mizrahi, according to the newspaper report.

But Prime Minister John Key, the son of a Jewish refugee who escaped Europe before the Holocaust, said Wednesday that the investigation found "no evidence that the people were anything other than backpackers."

David Zwartz, chairman of the Wellington Regional Jewish Council, said that "Reactions received during the day from members of the Wellington Jewish community expressed disgust at the level of allegation and smear in the article."

"Once more a media beat-up at the expense of Israel," Zwartz added.

Three Israelis, including Mizrahi, were among the 181 fatalities in the disaster.

In 2004, two alleged Mossad agents were caught and jailed for stealing a Kiwi passport. New Zealand severed diplomatic ties with Israel for more than a year until Israel apologized.






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Fun stuff to read, tell and watch:

Now FREE to watch all 91 minutes: "Defamation," from Israeli filmmaker Yoav Shamir. LINK: http://tinyurl.com/3rvhdvc

Some of His Best Friends Are Jewish: The Saga of a Holocaust Revisionist By Nathaniel Popper. Link: http://tinyurl.com/3v6m88c

...an Israeli lawyer has filed a class-action lawsuit against former President Jimmy Carter, seeking $5 million in damages because his book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid" allegedly defamed Israel. Link: http://tinyurl.com/3pltqg2

"...when you have laws against questioning the Holocaust narrative, you are screaming at the other person to stop thinking!!!" ---Mike Santomauro. *Anthony Lawson's Holocaust Video "were the Germans so stupid"... Link: http://tinyurl.com/44nsrco

An anti-Semite condemns people for being Jews, I am not an anti-Semite.--Mike Santomauro. Link: http://tinyurl.com/42z9p8o

Start reading DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST in under a minute: http://tinyurl.com/3f8h874

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How true to life is Wiesel's description of Buchenwald in Night?

 


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How true to life is Wiesel's 

description of Buchenwald in Night?

 

 

 

 

By Carolyn Yeager

 

Ken Waltzer wrote in his comment on this blog on June 27th:

"More important, Elie Wiesel's commentary in Night bears fairly close resemblance to the actual experiences he had at Buchenwald-as recorded in camp documents." (my italics)

 

What are we to make of the words "fairly close resemblance?" According to Waltzer-and 

to Wiesel-Wiesel is writing down his own experience. "Every word is true!" Wiesel has said of his book Night. Thus it should exactly resemble the actual experience he had. I'm going to examine closely what is written in Night about Buchenwald to see if that

 is the case.

It's not too difficult because the newest English edition of Night1-a new translation by wife Marion Wiesel which changes (corrects) some of the more blatant "boo-boos" found in the original 1960 edition-comprises only 115 pages. Of that, Wiesel's description of his time at Buchenwald begins on page 104, giving it only 11 pages (one page being blank).

Wiesel wrote a new preface for this new translation in which he tries to answer some of the more common criticisms of his book. His answer to the differences between the Yiddish And the World Remained Silent and Night is that he cut passages he thought might be superfluous ... or "too personal, too private, perhaps." Strange thing to say since he had already published it. Concerning Buchenwald, he quotes the original writing about the death of his father, where the club-wielder is called "an SS" three times! In Night, as you will see below, this person becomes simply "an officer." Naturally I ask: Did this scene even happen? Wiesel also tries to explain why he cut out from the ending so much of what was in the Yiddish version, but in doing so he leaves unmentioned an extensive part of what he cut. I have quoted these two endings in Shadowy Origins of Night, Part II.

 

 

 

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Teheran Holocaust Committe Member Christian Lindtner claims : ‘Holocaust denial is a moral and intellectual aberration. … Denial is Chutzpah’.

 

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From: "Fredrick Toben" <toben@toben.biz>
Date: July 20, 2011 8:59:20 PM EDT
To: "'Christian Lindtner'" <lindtner@dr.com>
Cc: <info@adelaideinstitute.org>, "'Michael'" <reporternotebook@gmail.com>
Subject: Teheran Holocaust Committe Member Christian Lindtner claims : 'Holocaust denial is a moral and intellectual aberration. … Denial is Chutzpah'.

Thank you for your quick reply, Christian.

 

1. My immediate response to your claim is, of course, joy because now we do have substantial evidence to prove that gassings occurred and that the three pillars of the Holocaust-Shoah narrative – 6 million, systematic extermination, homicidal gas chambers – is a proven physical fact.

 

2. But then I smile to myself when I read that you are relying on German scholarship and that your classical training enables you to discern, and to formulate: 'Holocaust denial is a moral and intellectual aberration. … My claim is serious: Denial is Chutzpah'.

 

3. Christian, I don't know what has happened to your perspective, whether you spent too much time trimming your cars and if this mindset of yours constitutes a recantation of your previously held belief. But it seems to me you have forgotten that all the research you rely upon is research done under legal duress.

 

4. It is not free research because it is illegal in Germany and elsewhere to say anything positive about the 1933-45 war years. I speak from experience, as do Stäglich, Rudolf, Zündel, Fröhlich, Honsik, Mahler, Stolz, et al, who can all attest to that pressure imposed on them with the force of legal persecution.

 

5. Your approach reminds me of the old scholastic argument about solving the universal and particular problem – how many angels fit on a pinhead?

 

6. I am sending this item through various lists and perhaps we can hear from you again – and perhaps you can enlighten me on how to overcome the legal barrier that prevents us from seeking the truth of the matter, without you so flippantly making a nonsense claim: Denial is Chutzpah.

 

Cheers

Fredrick Töben

 

From: Christian Lindtner [mailto:lindtner@dr.com]
Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2011 3:18 AM
To: Fredrick Toben
Subject: RE: FW: That's for you - Germans and German Jews set up Israel's civil service - there was a German brain drain to Israel - Hitler father of Israel -

 

Yes, Fredrick, I have now studied these and other books by the best German scholars for several years, and of course,  I am certain that one can rely on their research. As a classical philologist, I recognize traditional German scholarship when it is at its best.
To claim that Leichenkeller 1 in Krema II was not a gas chamber is also a case of Chutzpah. As you are aware, Bischoff wrote to Kammler  29 Jan. 1943 that it was a Vergasungskeller, and the two engineers from Topf & Söhne (Karl Schultze and Fritz Sander, 17 Feb. 1943) called it a Gaskeller.
Irving, Butz, Faurisson have done what they could to argue that the Germans, who were there and had no reason to lie to one another, were wrong, even dishonest. Their suggestions about the Keller being for gassing cadavers (!) or about its being an air raid shelter are absolutely silly.
 

The lacking holes can also easily be explained: When Leichenkeller 1 was blown up, the holes, i.e. the edges of the holes, would have been the first to be blown away by the enormous pressure seeking to "escape".
Gassing here and in the other camps was simply a natural continuation of the euthanasia program, where, for sure, more than 70000 were gassed.
The evidence for gas vans is also  convincingly established.
It is also chutzpah to say:" No holes, no Holocaust " - as if the shooting of millions of Jews had nothing to do with the Endlösung!

So, for these and many other easons, Fredrick, it is now my firm conviction that Holocaust denial is a moral and intellectual aberration.
It is a very very sad story - I do not need to remind YOU!
My claim is serious: Denial is Chutzpah.
See, if you have time, see also my presentation: Hitler´s Prophecy 1-7 on youtube.
Now we understand why Himmler said to the generals in Sonthofen, 21 June 1944:"Es ist gut, dass wir die Härte hatten, die Juden in unserem Bereich auszurotten", and he goes on the say that die Weiber und Kinder were also murdered....
Himmler was honest, and we have to be honest also.
Please feel free to use this letter as you may wish.
You may want to post it on your site!


Sincerely
Christian

----- Original Message -----

From: Fredrick Toben

Sent: 07/20/11 02:43 PM

To: 'Christian Lindtner'

Subject: RE: FW: That's for you - Germans and German Jews set up Israel's civil service - there was a German brain drain to Israel - Hitler father of Israel -

 

Are you serious, Christian?

 

 

Fredrick

 

 

 

 

 

From: Christian Lindtner [mailto:lindtner@dr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2011 8:49 PM
To: Fredrick Toben
Cc: orphicus2008@gmail.com
Subject: RE: FW: That's for you - Germans and German Jews set up Israel's civil service - there was a German brain drain to Israel - Hitler father of Israel -

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Fredrick,

Yes, this is a very sad story.
I hope you will find the time to study the two huge books about the German Ordnungspolizei by Wolfgang Curilla (2006 & 2011). His admirable research  is based on original German sources.
It can no longer be denied that more that 4.000.000 Jews were murdered by various units of German police etc.
Hence, the time has come to face the fact that Holocaust revisionism, or denial", is simply irresponsible CHUTZPAH.
Cui bono?

Best wishes
Christian Lindtner

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Fredrick Toben

 

 

Sent: 07/18/11 04:23 AM

 

 

To: 'Julie Chambers'

 

 

Subject: RE: FW: That's for you - Germans and German Jews set up Israel's civil service - there was a German brain drain to Israel - Hitler father of Israel -

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, thanks Julie, it's old stuff for me – but excellent to watch for those who are just getting into it -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- and to think Zündel then left Canada for the USA where he married Ingrid Rimland, then was extradited back to Canada for two years prison, then off to Germany where he spent 5 years in a German prison.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's legal persecution.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fredrick

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Julie Chambers [mailto:orphicus2008@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 18 July 2011 10:22 AM
To: Fredrick Toben
Subject: Re: FW: That's for you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Fredrick Toben <toben@toben.biz> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Julie Chambers [mailto:orphicus2008@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2011 11:39 PM
To: Fredrick Toben
Subject: Re: FW: That's for you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

British Holocaust denier verdict upheld

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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British-born Roman Catholic Bishop, Richard Williamson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A German appeals court has upheld the guilty verdict of a British bishop who had been earlier convicted on charges of denying the Holocaust.
The Regensburg court on Monday confirmed a conviction issued against Richard Williamson last year for Holocaust denial, but decided to reduce his penalty from the original fine of EUR 10,000 to EUR 6,500 (USD 9,136), the Associated Press reported. 

The 71-year-old bishop had stated in a 2008 interview with a Swedish TV station that he did not believe Jews lost their lives in gas chambers in the Nazi concentration camps during the Second World War. 

Williamson's lawyers have not denied the statements made by him during the interview, but stressed that such views could be expressed freely in Sweden. 

Holocaust denial is considered a crime in Germany. 

In a similar case, Fredrick Toben, a graduate of Oxford's Exeter College and a German-born Australian author, was tried in Germany in 1999 for his revisionist views of the Holocaust and sentenced to seven months in prison. 

MAB/HJL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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