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Jul 18, 2011

Re: Dr. Toben: Let's get over Hitler and Jews

 

Frederick
 
The world doesn't revolve around Israel or Hitler or even the Palestinians.  I live with enough petty strife with 9/11 theorists and imaginary science.
 
Were you to have listened more carefully and with a better grasp of English, you would note that the phrases you think you heard are more than simply out of context, they are fabricated.
 
Suggest you listen again.
 
As for Hitler, we have barely begun reexamining him.  The issue here is that the process has become discredited by the amateur antics of many of your "revisionist" friends.
 
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In a message dated 7/18/2011 10:37:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, RePorterNoteBook@Gmail.com writes:
 

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Fredrick Toben" <toben@toben.biz>
Date: July 18, 2011 9:15:49 PM EDT
To: <Gpduf@aol.com>
Cc: "'Michael'" <reporternotebook@gmail.com>, "'Josef Schwanzer'" <donauschwob@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Let's get over Hitler and Jews

1. But Gordon, you are then perpetuating a myth that contains no new impulses to better a situation, locally or globally, because that myth you are perpetuating is full of lies. Why don't you grasp the nettle and in truly anticipatory-pioneering fashion open a dialogue with those who claim that

"A slave is one who can speak neither well of Hitler nor ill of Jewry."<<

2. We need to get away from this Marxist-Talmudic death dialectic and move into a Hegelian dialogue dialectic where guilt-by-association as a principle of research is rejected outright. I tend to regard an individual who still claims that Hitler/Nazis are the absolute evil as someone who is out of balance as regards the understanding of human nature and of the historical process as such.

3. That is why individuals who can't get over Hitler/Nazis display a deeply authoritarian mindset and fear free expression from which they then 'protect' themselves by developing a range of guilt-by-association strategies. We see this so clearly in the global warming/Holocaust debate that is pushed mainly by ex-lefties who still frantically wish to retain mind control of individuals who refuse to think globally but prefer to think nationally.

4. Among ordinary individuals I hear the cry for freedom from global economic exploitation and oppression and towards some form of community-local-regional/state nation building where the command is upwards from the people and not downwards to the people.

5. This cry from the people upwards may contain elements of what Germany did during the 12 years under Adolf Hitler and the National Socialists - NAZI – but that era/period cannot be replicated/duplicated in today's world, and in any case it was specifically German – and can you imagine how the world's population would react if it had imposed on it by force such values as order, beauty/cleanliness, honesty/transparent actions, creativity instead of change for change's sake, justice instead of vicious financial exploitation, and others?

6. Currently in Australia the issue of animal slaughter is a burning issue because our trade with Indonesia reveals that our cattle are brutally slaughtered, and now we demand slaughter houses stun the animal before slitting their throats. This issue has focused on local practices and Muslim groups do not oppose the stunning of animals but Jews do. The claim that kosher slaughter is a religious right is now developing into an issue – I can already hear the cries of 'antisemitism' and 'racism' and 'Nazi' that attempt to stifle debate on this contentious issue.

7. And then we just have to recall that Adolf Hitler and the National Socialists on 21 April 1933 enacted a law that banned kosher slaughter, thereby attacking a prime pillar of the Jewish religion. The Holocaust-Shoah mythology, of course, is now there to deflect from this 1933 German humane act of opposition to kosher slaughter. The reasoning is that Germans exterminated the Jews so what gives them the right to say anything about anything at all! Well, as you know Gordon through your ethnic background this Holocaust-Shoah – Hitler/Jew dialectic is a process full of exaggerations, distortions, fabrications, and outright lying that prevents us from gaining new insights into current and historical happenings in the world.

8. Upon reflection this is why I consider my meeting you at your home was valuable because I see you as someone who embodies these principles – as well, of course, the principle of AUTARKY from which the self emerges as an empathetic and fearless mature individual where the concept of 'change' has no home because individuals don't change but develop and mature - hopefully.

9. As to your claim that Murdoch is Jewish – it's irrelevant to me because I still claim that 'don't blame the Jews, blame those that bend to their pressure'. Thus what is far more important is that the whole controversy in London has led to the resignation of two policemen who were intimately involved in counter-terrorism operations, and by implication directly involved in the 7:7 2005 London bombing exercise. This follows closely on the US event that saw the writing out of their terrorism script the protagonist, Osama bin laden, by spreading the word that he was killed – again utter nonsense. In other words, in British politics there is a re-adjustment taking place in the usual dramatic and practical sense that also continues to keep the real impulses behind the scene protected from public scrutiny. There is even another death to hand – and Dr Kelley's death comes to mind when the WMD story had served its purpose and was finally exposed as a lie.

10. I'm sending a copy of this email to Santomauro and Schwanzer so that they can also spread my thoughts expressed therein, and in the hope that some commentary will be made on it.

Cheers

Fredrick Töben

From: Gpduf@aol.com [mailto:Gpduf@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, 18 July 2011 10:40 PM
To: toben@toben.biz
Subject: Re: FW: Gordon Duff

I am aware that our policies here in Ohio are not like Nazi Germany

but

one has to use language that people understand

In a message dated 7/18/2011 6:36:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, toben@toben.biz writes:

Gordon - will you let yourself be upset with my comment on your site?

Fredrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Fredrick Toben [mailto:toben@toben.biz]
Sent: Monday, 18 July 2011 7:54 PM
Subject: RE: Gordon Duff

>>If the tyrant's head is chopped off, then what have we left?

A culture of slaves who will seek another tyrant for their comforts.

Currently the characteristics of a slave are thus:

"A slave is one who can speak neither well of Hitler nor ill of Jewry."<<

 FredrickToben 1 second ago

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-----Original Message-----

Sent: Monday, 18 July 2011 7:33 PM

To: Fredrick Toben

Subject: Gordon Duff

Did you hear this? Gordon Duff says at approx 3.35:   

"Rupert Murdoch spent personally $10 Million to elect a Governor in 

the State of Ohio whose policies are reprehensible - we would equal 

them to Nazi Germany"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4l79ES2yLg

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"" Former Nazi teen singers ‘pretty liberal now’ ""

 


Former Nazi teen singers 'pretty liberal now'

By Laura Donovan - The Daily Caller
Laura Donovan writes for The Daily Caller.
Gaede girls in 2006
Photo Credit: The Daily
Most teens and pre-teens go through passing phases. For Prussian Blue songbirds Lamb and Lynx Gaede, Nazism was a short-lived childhood interest.
In an exclusive interview with The Daily, the 19-year-old twins revealed that they have abandoned most of their highly publicized white nationalist beliefs, which infuriated the nation nearly six years ago when the girls were thirteen, donning Hitler shirts, and promoting white power through their band.
"I'm not a white nationalist anymore," Lamb told the iPad-only news publication in her first interview in half a decade. "My sister and I are pretty liberal now."
Lamb's twin sister Lynx, who once expressed a desire to preserve the Caucasian race, claims to be a huge fan of diversity now.
"Personally, I love diversity," Lynx seconded. "I'm stoked that we have so many different cultures. I think it's amazing and it makes me proud of humanity every day that we have so many different places and people."
But the Bakersfield, Calif., girls weren't always so "stoked" about people of different races. The very name of their band, Prussian Blue, pays homage to the girls' German background and blue eyes. In 2006, the Gaedes sparked outrage with their song "Hate for Hate: Lamb Near the Lane." The song has eyebrow-raising lyrics, such as, "If the white men won't battle for life and race, the women and children, the terror will face."
Lamb co-wrote the tune with late pen pal David Lane, a member of the white nationalist group The Order who was jailed for his involvement in the killing of Jewish television show host Alan Berg. In 2005, Lynx said she wanted to keep "[her] people" white. (SNL alum says Obama is basically Hitler)
"We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," Lynx told ABC six years ago. "We want our people to stay white … we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race."
The Gaede twins, who have publicly questioned aspects of the Holocaust, have chalked up their earlier views to ignorance, naïveté, and a cloistered upbringing.
"My sister and I were home-schooled," Lynx told The Daily. "We were these country bumpkins. We spent most of our days up on the hill playing with our goats."
After relocating to Montana and attending public schools, Lamb and Lynx said they stopped following the white supremacist ideals they were taught by their mother, April Gaede.
Lamb and Lynx may be more accepting of different types of people, but this has come with a price, as some white nationalists now call the girls traitors.
"There are dangerous people in White Nationalism that don't give a [expletive]," Lamb said. "They would do awful things to people who they think betrayed the movement. We're stepping on eggshells."
Regardless of their shift in opinions, the girls haven't totally removed themselves from their white nationalist identity.
When it comes to the Holocaust, Lynx told The Daily, "I think certain things happened. I think a lot of the stories got exaggerated and misconstrued. I mean, yeah, Hitler wasn't
the best, but Stalin wasn't, Churchill wasn't. I disagree with everybody at that time."
Lamb said it's time for the world to move on from the Holocaust already.
"I just think everyone needs to frickin' get over it," Lamb said. "That's what I think."


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/17/former-nazi-teen-pop-singers-pretty-liberal-now/#ixzz1SVW82kIW
 
 
 
April Gaede and Scott Roberts commented on Diane Schreiber's link.
dailycaller.com
Most teens and pre-teens go through passing phases. For Prussian Blue songbirds Lamb and Lynx Gaede, Nazism was a short-lived childhood interest. In an exclusive interview with The Daily, the 19-year olds ...
  • 5 people like this.
    • Johann G. Heidler So, I guess they have become the enemy?!?!?!? Why do "activists" always become "Ass-Clowns" and Fodder for the Left? (I Know , I speak rhetorically)
    • Joe Bianchi How come we don't see any blazing articles about zionists who've rescinded their undying, slavish devotion to Israel?
    • Joe Bianchi For a moment, I thought this was going to be bylined with "theonion.com".
    • Robert Gahagen
      They crave materialistic things and things they feel they were denied, never realizing those things poison the soul. They've turned their back on what they know is right, and crossed over to a side that will destroy them. Several other "WN'...s" have done this over the years. Some loose hope, some get greedy, and some of them were here because they thought it was cool. If your heart isn't in it, I know I don't want you having my back. See More
    • Nicky Gordon Same with Sarah's daughter ever since Dancing with the Stars. From the frying pan into the fire.
       ·
    • Morris Lynn Gulett Notice that they atribute their new found ideology of diversity to the public school sytem. There really is something to be said for home schooling.
       ·
    • Scott Roberts
      The natural progression is to go from an unconscious state to the reality of our world, not the other way around (short of undergoing a lobotomy). There's simply no going back once you take the "red pill".

      I have to believe that most of ...
      these former "Nazi's" and White "Supremacists", who are (deliberately) held out in public view, were put there for a reason. And that reason is to convince the Gentile masses that "racism" and "antisemitism" are "outdated small-minded thoughts", and that people evolve from that "primitive" state of mind and go on to embrace "diversity"/"multicultural​ism" as a form of a 'positive' evolution.

      This is preventative propaganda meant to keep the "Goyim" from ever contemplating the TRUE ideals of those who stand between them and their agenda (to kill the best of us, to enslave the rest, and to have a world of their own).

      Lesson of the day:
      "See kids, these people were once "EvilHatefulRacistNaziTerr​orists", but they came around to embrace our agenda to rule over you.. eh... I mean to love and take care of you. So don't be like they once were, just keep on believing everything we tell you and never bother to ever think for yourselves."
    • about an hour ago ·
    • Werner Fireball Schmidt Teenagers rebel against their parents. This is not a suprise. That being said, one can not go from knowing to not knowing so there is no excuse. At this point I don't see any actions that verify the betrayal of their race. Time will tell.
      about an hour ago ·
    • Scott Roberts
      Ever see an educated, well spoken individual connecting all of the Jewish dots in the MSM?
    • Neither have I.
    • For obvious reasons.

      They use the loud mouthed plants/idiots to make their opposition look bad, while never truly exposing their agend
      a at all...thus giving the "Goyim" nothing to think about.

      Then they parade people like this around to dissuade the rest of us from ever questioning them at all.
    • Realizing that all a Gentile needs to do is ask questions, while never settling for any partial "truths" or tailor made conclusions, and they will eventually come to that forbidden truth.
    • Question 1 leads to question 2, question 3, question 4, and so on. Pretty soon all of the 1+1+1+1's all add up to Jew+Jew+Jew+Jew....and the "Chosen People" certainly can't afford us doing any of this simple math, can they?

      Let's avoid wasting our time like the Gaede girls did and skip right to "loving diversity!!!!!".

      Lobotomy anybody?
    •  ·
    • Robert Jarrell I'm sure this is causing some pain to April. It just shows that waking up is an individual process. No need to rub salt in this.
      58 minutes ago ·
    • Diane Schreiber I agree. The kids are only 19, they need time to find themselves.
      57 minutes ago ·
    • April Gaede
      Like Diane said, they are only 19, few people have a their heads straight at 19 and my girls have been targeted and attacked by the left for the majority of their lives. What is funny is that they are racial, they talk all the time about how they dont want to live in California because of the Mexicans and how they prefer to live in a white area, why they know that the bullshit about WWII and Hitler is exaggerated etc. What they think they are rebelling against right now is the "hate" factor, and they are embracing the peace , love hippy dippy crap. They lied several times in that article and they know it..am I going to disown them, no , but am I seriously pissed off, yes.
    • I hope they enjoy the ass kissing the kikes are giving them.They went to a high school that was over 96% white, and the few nonwhites that were there they didnt even hang out with.....it is so ridiculous it would be funny if not so annoying.
    • 52 minutes ago ·
    • Diane Schreiber My own son has given me some grief, but he has seen the truth of things through his own experiences. HE may marry a Persian Girl and wants to bring her to the US this fall when he gets back from AfPak.
      35 minutes ago
    • David Baillie Scott, I believe the bit about public school was a allusion to their being lobotomized.
      27 minutes ago ·
    • David Baillie My own son just got out of third grade. Right at the beginning of the year his teacher brought up Hitler and spewed the standard lies about murdering 6 million Yids, wanting to kill off anyone without blonde hair and blue eyes. THIRD GRADE!!! My wife forced me to throw away a letter I wrote to the teacher
      13 minutes ago
    • April Gaede Oh they know the score, they are just playing this drama out so they can be popular in their little hippy dippy group here. The group is a bunch of spoiled naive white kids who think that listening to bob marley is somehow enlightening.
      23 minutes ago ·
    • David Baillie Only when tokin' da ganja
      21 minutes ago

 
 
 
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  • For obvious reasons.

    They use the loud mouthed plants/idiots to make their opposition look bad, while never truly exposing their agend
    a at all...thus giving the "Goyim" nothing to think about.

    Then they parade people like this around to dissuade the rest of us from ever questioning them at all.
  • Realizing that all a Gentile needs to do is ask questions, while never settling for any partial "truths" or tailor made conclusions, and they will eventually come to that forbidden truth.
  • Question 1 leads to question 2, question 3, question 4, and so on. Pretty soon all of the 1+1+1+1's all add up to Jew+Jew+Jew+Jew....and the "Chosen People" certainly can't afford us doing any of this simple math, can they?

    Let's avoid wasting our time like the Gaede girls did and skip right to "loving diversity!!!!!".

    Lobotomy anybody?
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