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Lasha Darkmoon: Israel has done it again. (See news articlesand videos compiled by Alison Weir at "If Americans Knew.") Creating outrage on a daily basis seems to be its speciality. It has now launched an attack on international peace activists carrying humanitarian aid to besieged Gaza — "the world's largest concentration camp" still recovering from war crimes committed by Israel almost 18 months ago. Here are some of the bare facts: The Mavi Marmara is a Turkish vessel. It was part of a 6-ship unarmed flotilla, including a U.S.-flagged vessel, carrying 700 passengers from 40 different countries and 10,000 tons of humanitarian aid on a mission of mercy to besieged Gaza.
The ship was attacked approximately 65 miles off the coast of Netanya and 80 miles from Gaza, well within international waters. This is regarded as an act of piracy in international law. It is a war crime. It is too early to put a final figure on the number of casualties. These keep changing by the hour, depending on which side is providing the figures. AP's initial report, based on figures helpfully supplied by Israel, stated that only two peace activists had died. This figure has now been rejected. The latest reportsindicate that 16 unarmed activists may have been killed and up to 60 injured. Israeli casualties, as expected, have been minimal and almost cosmetic: two gun-toting commandos killed and three lightly injured. The AP report skilfully managed to give the impression that the heavily armed Israeli attackers were in fact the victims. The AP version comes down to this (my paraphrase):
Armed to the teeth, the Israelis board a vessel in international waters with peaceful intent, only to meet with violent resistance from a bunch of potential terrorists consisting of members of parliament from Germany, Sweden, Ireland and Turkey. Among those on board: Nobel Peace Laureate Mairead Maguire of Ireland, Holocaust survivor Hedy Epstein, US diplomats Amb. Edward Peck and Col Ann Wright, not to mention peace activists from forty countries — including a US Navy survivor of Israel's infamous attack on the USS Liberty.
By some remarkable inversion of logic, all these highly respected humanitarian peace activists are portrayed as aggressors seeking a confrontation with peace-loving Israel, while their Israeli attackers are seen as defending themselves by opening fire on orange-vested civilians rash enough to resist their 'tough love' overtures. Israel naturally claims that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. The Gazans are purportedly doing quite well under Israel's benevolent supervision. All Israel wants is to stop armsgetting through. And of course cement — for what is the point of rebuilding all those demolished houses if Israel, in its compassionate wisdom, intends to demolish them all over again? AP fails to mention that a recent Amnesty International reportstated that Israel's siege on Gaza had created a humanitarian crisis of horrendous proportions: that four out of five Gaza residents needed humanitarian assistance and that hundreds were waiting for medical treatment that is cruelly denied by Israel.
Mass unemployment, extreme poverty, food insecurity and food price rises caused by shortages left four in five Gazans dependent on humanitarian aid," said the 2010 report, released on Thursday. "The scope of the blockade and statements made by Israeli officials about its purpose showed that it was being imposed as a form of collective punishment of Gazans — a flagrant violation of international law.
Pay no attention. This is only Amnesty International speaking — an organization that gives aid to terrorists. Gilad Atzmonspeaks for us all when he says:
The Israeli government fails to gather that the tide has changed. We see through them. We all know what the Jewish state stands for. We all know about the devastation in Gaza, we know about the siege, the destruction and the crimes against humanity…In case the Israelis fail to see it, they are dealing with an international flotilla that is sailing under Turkish and Greek flags, a fleet that carries 800 enthusiastic activists from all over the world. The Israelis are dealing with peace lovers who are determined to break through the siege and deliver medical aid, cement, paper and food. On the deck we have 35 European parliamentarians who must have decided to say NO to Zionist fund raisers. This flotilla is a clear signal to Israel that the game is over. Israel is now all but officially isolated. All that is left for Israel is to come to terms with its true nature: a shameless racist, murderous and terrorist state…. The Israeli government and the Israeli people better start to come to terms that the game is soon to be over. The Zionist project and the Israeli state is in a state of moral bankruptcy."
The foundation of the state of Israel in 1948 will one day be seen, I believe, as one of history's most tragic mistakes. We witness the bitter consequences now. We have witnessed them for the last sixty-two years. Is it too late to reverse this catastrophic error of history?
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"US politicians are completely obedient to … [Israel's] dictates despite the pitiful screams of a vast majority of their American constituents"
Not true. The vast majority of Americans see Jews as ever-blameless, always-wrongly-accused victims and support Israel. This is especially true of White Americans. Brainwashed? Maybe. Lied to by their pastors, the edumacation system, and the media? Certainly. But them's the facts, Jack.
Since this is occurring in an environment in which even the dimmest American bulb can, with only a little trouble, quickly ascertain the facts, I am forced to conclude that they just don't care.
A PREMEDITATED CRIME?
COPY OF AN ALLEGED ISRAELI DUCUMENT CONTAINING THE HIT LIST
OF PASSENGERS TO BE KILLED ON BOARD THE TURKISH SHIP MARMARA:
http://palestinethinktank.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/1-18.jpg
Apparently certain activists on board the flotilla had been earmarked in advance for assassination by Israeli commandos.
"Turkish sources and media revealed a document which shows that a death list had been prepared in advance by the Israelis, showing names and pictures of people on board of the ships to be murdered, who, according to Israel, were "involved in the International humanitarian aid for Gaza". According to the Turkish sources, hundreds of Israeli soldiers stormed the blue Turkish ship "Marmara" flotilla and they had copies of the death list. The list included the names of civilians on the fleet who should be killed". The document was apparently recovered after one of the Israeli soldiers lost it during the piracy act."
http://palestinethinktank.com/2010/05/31/flotilla-massacre-is-a-reply-to-the-turkish-iranian-relations/
@Darren: well, I explained why and I stand by it. I don't know what International law has to do with the existence of whites. As far as I know, countries make up their immigration laws and enforce them(or don't,
. Problem with your country(assuming ur an American) is that the majority(for now) has lost political power and the elite that rules the country has "surrendered" to uncontrolled immigration. With the Jews playing a big role in it btw.Palestine).
This has nothing to do with the annexation and ethnic cleansing of a territory/people(
"Whether or not we can get all of the diaspora Jews to go there or not does not bear any relevance on the question if Israel should exist, form our perspective."
Really? Perhaps u may wish to check out "Spy Trade: How Israel's Lobby Undermines America's Economy". Obviously this is made possible because of the Jewish diaspora in the US.com/Spy-Trade-Israels-Undermines-Americas/dp/0976443716/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2PNQ6W5ZLO13Q&colid=1MY16XFLPZ0J6
http://www.amazon.
"The vast majority of Americans see Jews as ever-blameless, always-wrongly-accused victims and support Israel. This is especially true of White Americans. Brainwashed? Maybe. Lied to by their pastors, the edumacation system, and the media? Certainly. But them's the facts, Jack."
I wouldn't know for sure.
I do, however, know that Congress has little respect for the opinions of White Americans on any issue, Israel included. Its members pander to Israel not because most White Americans want them to (if that's really the case), but because they are paid off by the Jewish lobby and encouraged in their larceny by the Jew-owned mass media. In other words, even if they enjoy the cosmetic convenience of public support for their Israel-inspired treason, it makes no real difference in how they operate. They do it for the money and the publicity.
That being said, I'm getting the distinct impression that in my particular neck of the woods, where most people are White as the driven snow and worship in small country chapels instead of CZ megachurches, Israel no longer has much of a cheering section. Most of the locals appear to be sick of them. (I won't say what they usually call Obama, but here's a hint: it consists of three syllables in two words, the definite article followed by a word beginning with "N" and ending in "r", no further identification required.)
"Some people here seem to believe that white americans should not care about what goes on in Palestine and/or to be neutral. Eh? All Americans who are decent should care"
White rabbits are in a war of survival so morality and decency can go **** themselves. All i care about is what are the best tactics.
1. For white rabbits who take a moral view of this and their moral view is negative to Israel then fine. Your choice. And who knows, maybe in the end taking a consistent moral view is the best tactics.
2. For an ethno-nationalist, which is what i am now, Israel is an ethno-nationalist state. From a tactical point of view attacking Israel using leftist arguments against ethno-nationalism is counter-productive because it reinforces multicult values. (However there may be other ways to do it without reinforcing multicult values.)
3. On the other hand, outside Israel jews are intimately intwined with the multicult and support it through their dominace in areas like banking and the mass media. As jewish dominance makes it hard to attack jewish dominance directly then there's a valid argument for using Israel as a proxy target as hopefully there'd be some anti-jewish blowback on home terriotory which helps to weaken their control here.
4. Individuals in survival-morality mode can make their own mind up on which of the two tactical arguments seems the best: ethno-nationalist or proxy blowback. One other thing to bear in mind is the difference between the Euro and US situations.
4a. The majority of immigration-invaders in Europe are muslims and as a result the media are less pro-Israel and there are anti-Isreal spokesmen who get plenty of air-time. Basically there's no need for WNs in Europe to get involved in the anti-Israel bandwagon as it's doing very well on its own due to immigration. An individual WN in Europe might still want to get on that bandwagon but there's no need.
(nb They ***always*** end up cutting their own throats. Remember that when you hear people talk about how it's all hopeless and they're too powerful. The paranoia makes them irrational. They will ***always*** end up cutting their own throats.)
4b. America is different as the majority of immigration-invaders are Hispanic and the pro-Israel lockdown is much stronger. The tactical argument for using Israel as a proxy target is much stronger there.
Wandrin
"The majority of immigration-invaders in Europe are muslims"
"America is different as the majority of immigration-invaders are Hispanic and the pro-Israel lockdown is much stronger."
Thank you, important points as to the different situations in Europe and America. In Europe, Muslims are the main demographic threat. In America, Muslims are irrelevant and mostly used as a scapegoat for Jew Zionist wars. This distinction between Europe and America needs to remain clear; we will need different tactics and coalitions to win.
The late Jewish former Congressman Tom Lantos, a neocon/Zionist major supporter of Israel, said in a House Foreign Affairs Committee on April 15, 2007 titled "The Outlook for the Independence of Kosova" the following:
"Just a reminder to the predominantly Muslim-led government[s] in this world that here is yet another example that the United States leads the way for the creation of a predominantly Muslim country in the very heart of Europe. This should be noted by both responsible leaders of Islamic governments, such as Indonesia, and also for jihadists of all color and hue. The United States' principles are universal, and in this instance,the United States stands foursquare for the creation of an overwhelmingly Muslim country in the very heart of Europe."
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=789
@Oakley
Yeah they think they can appease them with stuff like that. However the simple truth is they can have unlimited muslim immigration into Europe *or* they can have Israel. They can't have both. Some of them have realised that already but not many.
Sledgehammer – What does international law think of, say, Serbia? Yeah, international law isn't exactly something I'd give moral support to. Just because the bureaucrats are seemingly anti-Israel doesn't mean we should give them moral support.
With the Jews playing a big role in it btw
I'm not arguing against the notion that Jews exert disproportionate power against our interests. This is about Israel. You're all over the map for some reason.
"Really? Perhaps u may wish to check out "Spy Trade: How Israel's Lobby Undermines America's Economy". Obviously this is made possible because of the Jewish diaspora in the US."
So you're saying Israel shouldn't exist so that we can have these same people stuck in our nations, ever resentful and continuing to plot/scheme? Uhh, yeah, good idea.
Israel ceasing to exist will not make diaspora Jewry magically behave. Therefore, I see no legitimate reason to oppose Israel's existence. On the other side of the coin, one can look at the behavior of pro-Palestinian Arabs in white nations. Does that delegitimatize the existence of the Palestinian cause?
Kook the Elder?
Who does he represent. An absolute fringe.
Again, talking about Judaism, while knowing nothing about it.
Middle Easterners are Caucasians. Caucasians are White. If you insist on Whites being purely White with no Southern Features, then you are a Nordicist. And your group are the Nordics, not Whites.
AngryJew,
I am neither a Nordicist (too narrow) nor a Caucasianist (too broad).
I am a Europeanist. Greeks, Icelanders, Spaniards, Russians and everyone in between (except for unassimilated Middle Eastern peoples such as the Turks, Gypsies and Jews) are the macro-ethnic group of which I am a part.
I say this neither to assert the superiority of Europeans nor to incite hatred of non-Europeans.
Admittedly, this macro-ethnic group has cultural as well as racial components: IndoEuropean language (with exceptions such as Basques), a long history of Christian religion, a higher culture with roots in ancient Greece etc.
And, admittedly, "White" is an awkward term for people of European ancestry, since many Turks, Syrians and Jews have features which, compared to southern Europeans, are equally Caucasian.