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Joe,
The German people, many more in number than the Jews, suffered worse than the Jews for longer than 4 years, yet they are not "deserving" of compensation from those who inflicted it -- the Allies, it turns out.
This is how this issue should be answered -- not with the usual points about the Holohoax that you brought up. Relativizing the suffering is what the Jews fear most; we need to get Germans willing to do it. They have not been willing since it is not in their nature to ask for anything, but to work for it; but also because their own government will not back them up and will even repudiate them. But this has to be done. Why are Jews given lifetime subsidies for suffering they claim, often falsely, and no one else is? Why does the German govt. continue stealing from the German people to pay these vampires, instead of standing up and putting an end to it. The most prominent answer: Because they want to keep the German people believing in their terrible guilt in order for their leftist, multicultural, anti-German regime to stay in power. THIS is what needs to be talked about, and not just in passing, but delved into in detail, and from many sources.
Very few want to tackle these problems. They would rather just talk about unwanted immigration. But this is the heart of it all. Why don't you write anymore? Letters to the NYTimes that don't get printed don't count.
Carolyn
--- On Wed, 11/24/10, GiuseppeFurioso@aol.com <GiuseppeFurioso@aol.com> wrote:
From: GiuseppeFurioso@aol.com <GiuseppeFurioso@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [jacobandesau] Holocaust survivors deal with purported $42M
Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 6:49 AM
A couple of points raised by the article: 1) '' the Germans kept meticulous records '' ...if they did where are they and to they corroborate a figure of six million dead jews mostly by way of gas chambers. 2) the payments did not come from a '' finite fund but instead would come more or less from the German government. ( which of course is not a crime in the eyes of jews ) 3) '' there are still about a THOUSAND a month making new claims ". joe
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Associated Press
NEW YORK — Walk along the boardwalk on a late autumn day, and Brighton Beach can seem like an old-age home by the sea, where stooped ladies wear rouge like armor and almost everyone lives in the shadow of a difficult past.Along this Brooklyn outpost's ocean edge — the heart of much community life here — locals are talking about the betrayal they feel after the arrest of 17 people, mostly Brighton Beach residents, on charges that they faked stories of Holocaust survival to profit from money meant for survivors of Nazi persecution."I cannot imagine that someone would lie like that; it's a terrible crime," says Klara Rakhlin, 72, her bright makeup stark against her black, coiffed hair as she speaks in Russian. "I lost my family in a concentration camp, and it's disgusting that people would get compensation although they haven't suffered."Rakhlin was little more than a toddler in 1941, when she entered the Pechora concentration camp in what is now Ukraine's Vinnitsa region. By the time she left in 1944, she was school-aged.The arrests don't close the books on the purported scheme. The organization in charge of awarding the money continues to weed through hundreds more case files to see how much further any deception may have spread. Federal prosecutors say they have already uncovered more than 5,500 fraudulent claims, many of them containing altered birth dates and faked stories of suffering.Some people — overwhelmingly residents of this neighborhood and elsewhere in Brooklyn — have received letters informing them that they must either appeal or repay tens of thousands of dollars that the nonprofit group, the Conference on the Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, now believes were wrongly awarded.Already, more than 90 people have told the Claims Conference, as it is commonly known, that they intend to appeal cancellation of their benefits. At least 35 more have returned the money or agreed to repay it on an installment plan.Still other recipients are getting letters telling them their quarterly payments will be rationed out by the month, while the Claims Conference asks them to again detail their stories of persecution and re-evaluates their eligibility. Conference employees will work to find records that confirm each qualifying story, says Greg Schneider, the organization's executive vice president."Ninety-nine percent of the cases are clear cases, and there's no issue, and we won't be distracted from the fact that helping survivors is our core mission," Schneider said of the thousands of applications the group receives each year.Some community leaders worry that requesting more information from some recipients will again turn survivors into victims."They are making survivors suffer even more. Why make them prove their status when they've gone through so much already?" asks Pavel Vishnevetsky, director of the Council of Jewish Immigrant Community Organizations.But Schneider contends that asking survivors to pen a description of their ordeal is not too onerous a task. And the Nazis, he says, were meticulous record-keepers — often making it possible to find a paper trail. If someone was on a train transport to a concentration camp, it was recorded. Those trapped in ghettos or who disappeared into hiding can be harder to track down — but if nothing else, records involving someone who witnessed their suffering can usually be found, he said.Any money claimed wrongly would not have come out of a finite fund for survivors but instead would have come more or less directly from the German government, Schneider said. Lawyers for those accused did not comment. Four of the 17 arrested in the case have pleaded guilty.For those caught on the other side of the language and cultural divide, the Russian community here can seem closed off.There are the fairly recent immigrants from the former Soviet Union, who after decades under Communism are often unwilling to talk to outsiders. There are the aging Jews, like Raisa Volokh, who would rather pull a photograph from her wallet to show off her great-grandchildren than speak of her years of starvation in a Ukraine ghetto, the boy who would become her husband suffering the same indignities alongside her."The community of Russians, they stay to themselves," says 96-year-old Lillian Block, who was one of many American-born Jews living here when she moved in in 1941. Now, she says of her neighbors, "they still have the feeling of when they were in the Soviet Union, when everything was so secretive. ... It's very lonely."That perception of concealment has led some, in the aftermath of the fraud accusations, to look on this neighborhood with suspicion. Several residents spoke of hearing talk over the years of small-time scams and believing that such behavior could flourish here.But Schneider warns against passing judgment on this community. While he believes most or all of the 5,500 allegedly fraudulent claims were made on behalf of real people, he says large numbers of applicants may have been unknowingly involved by unscrupulous middlemen.There are still 1,000 people each month coming forward to make new claims for payments. Many of those are recent immigrants from former Eastern Bloc countries who are not permitted to claim funds until they leave those nations, Schneider said.And for Volokh, the roughly $411 per month she receives as reparation for the four years of hunger, of watching people die of starvation and frostbite, can never repay her.Her children have asked her not to talk too much about those days, fearing that she can't handle the stress after a pacemaker operation. Sometimes it is too difficult to speak of her memories, she says quietly, a tightness in her throat closing around the words."My heart: It cannot," she says.___Associated Press writers Randy Herschaft, Ula Ilnytzky and Verena Dobnik in New York contributed to this report, in addition to translator Ksenia Galouchko.
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